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L.A. Freelancers, Learning FCP X might be a good idea…
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As soon as I importe files from a card, I’m able to assign keywords to them as they are copying to the drive in the background. Also, if I drag in files from cards they get assigned the folder name automatically if that is checked on the import settings.
It does happen at the same time in that in other systems the files have to be on a hard drive first.
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[Darren Roark] “What I meant is they had a tight post deadline and were recording to six prores recorders instead of ingesting the XDCAM cards as they work in FCP7. “
Now I’m confused. Recording to KiPros is a faster process than XDCAM. No transcode or rewrap required. Cable up the FW800 drive, copy the file and import. Or access directly if you can keep the drives connected.
[Darren Roark] “What I meant was the added labor and equipment expense in order to avoid transcoding wouldn’t have been necessary in X or Premiere Pro.”
FCP X, Premiere, FCP 7 and current Media Composer versions can all take in these ProRes files as native media. What system were you on?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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My point was they didn’t need all that extra gear and labor if they were using X. Yes, it’s much faster if you are cutting in 7 to go the KiPro route, in FCPX the benefits of this are minimal.
It’s just a lot of wasted money for something that wouldn’t be necessary.
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Give me ProRes originals over XDCam any day for finishing. All that extra cost and trouble does translate into better quality images for grading. Also if your grading is done with da Vinci on a Windows machine, XDCam codec has to be transcoded anyway.
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[Darren Roark] “My point was they didn’t need all that extra gear and labor if they were using X.”
No offense, but you aren’t making any sense. The process and required equipment is virtually identical with current versions of FCP, Premiere or Media Composer. There is no extra gear or labor. Obviously if you are talking about Media Composer Adrenaline, that would be a different story, but it’s also an age-old system.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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None taken, I know my point has gotten lost in my convoluted mess of explaining myself.
Had they just imported the XDCAM cards straight into FCPX and not used the Ki Pros they would be no worse off and saved time and money. The budget was very very tight.
To Michael, Resolve can handle XDCAM natively if it’s rewrapped to a quicktime wrapper. FCPX does this on ingest and spans the files. (As do many other apps and NLEs) The grading robustness between the SDI Ki Pro footage and the XDCAM cards aren’t great enough to justify the cost. I’m amazed how rugged this version of XDCAM really is.
X is far from perfect, but if I don’t have to use extra recorders and wait for cards to be copied to hard drives, that’s a good thing right?
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[Darren Roark] “but if I don’t have to use extra recorders and wait for cards to be copied to hard drives, that’s a good thing right?”
I get what you are saying now, but sorry, I guess I disagree. The expense is on the production side. As an editor I don’t care (well, I do, but I don’t). I would take the KiPro recordings over the XDCAM cards any day of the week. In any case, I simply don’t see how X is a factor in any of this, since what you are describing puts the various NLEs are largely equal footing.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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The Win version of Resolve doesn’t take XDCam quicktimes as I just discovered on a recent job
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I usually have no sympathy for production on the post end since they always seem to run out of money before they get to me.
I’ve been working on a doc (250 hours of footage, 3500K+ clips) where the A cam is an FS700. Many many long interview takes and spanned clips. Ki Pro recordings would have been nice, but I didn’t have any trouble with the XDCAM footage once they were spanned and rewrapped by X.
The thing FCPX can do that the others can’t is work with media that is still being imported or copied from another source. You can log footage while it’s still copying. Correct me if I’m wrong, but can any of the others do that? That to me anyway is a big time saver.
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I wasn’t aware, that is not good. Plus Apple’s stranglehold on prores can be decoded not encoded in Win really is crappy.
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