Kona 3 ProRes HQ – Progressive/Interlaced at 1080 – 29.97?

[Bill Paris]

Carsten,

One more “How To” question……. I went into Compressor to try to switch on Frame Controls, but couldn’t find the menu controls……. Any tips? Thanks! And thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion. This is such a fantastic way to communicate with the experts…. thanks again!

Bill Paris

[Carsten Orlt]

Bill
once you applied the preset, go into the inspector window, select the 3rd tab (the one with the watch symbol) and first click on the gear symbol on the right. Once you have done that you can switch on the frame controls by choosing it from the top drop-down menu. The one setting that is important for you is the resize setting and the middle selection (linear filter) is a good choice. higher settings will render much longer with little visual improvement. but feel free to experiment 🙂

Carsten

[Bill Paris]

Carsten,

Thanks for the information, I’m going to experiment with your suggestions and attempt my encode again…… Thanks!

Bill Paris

[Jeremy Garchow]

Bill, there’s another setting you have to check in Compressor to make sure that it sees your movie as progressive.

If you have followed the instructions from before and made everything progressive from footage to timeline, then single click on the movie in compressor to bring up the inspector. In the a/v attributes tab, make sure that your “Native Field Dominance” is set for “Progressive”. Then when you go tot he Frame Controls tab as Carsten mentioned, just set it for ‘Same as Source’. Sometimes, Compressor will guess wrong at the native field dominance of the clip which will effect processing in Compressor.

Jeremy

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Carsten Orlt] ” if you do CC on a progressive clip in a interlace timeline the result is still progressive or I guess i should say PSF. “

I hear that. I believe that if you want to maintain a progressive workflow, it’s best to work progressive and not interlace, especially when you start adding graphics and text that move. But maybe that’s just me.

Jeremy

[Gary Adcock]

[Carsten Orlt] “AJA doesn’t give you any 1080p settings for now “

Totally < UNTRUE > Cartsen. The Kona Cards and IoHD both support 1080 true P for capture and playback- they are available as a separate Download.

“because in the Broadcast world 1080p as a delivery format is virtually not in use (I don’t know of any Broadcaster that uses it).”
Again a little off base.- Yes there are spec for 1080 deliverables at 60p in the ATSC specs, you are correct that no one uses them “yet” however.

[Carsten Orlt] “Doing this there is no need to export a quicktime first”

IMHO a self contained QT files always render faster and cleaner than a direct export from the FCP timeline- and it does not lock me out of working then either.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Inside look at the IoHD

[Carsten Orlt]

[gary adcock] “Totally < UNTRUE > Cartsen. The Kona Cards and IoHD both support 1080 true P for capture and playback- they are available as a separate Download. “

and where exactly can i find this download?

[gary adcock] “Again a little off base.- Yes there are spec for 1080 deliverables at 60p in the ATSC specs, you are correct that no one uses them “yet” however. “

and why exactly is it off base when you confirm exactly the same I’m saying?

[gary adcock] “IMHO a self contained QT files always render faster and cleaner than a direct export from the FCP timeline- and it does not lock me out of working then either. “

fair point.

[Gary Adcock]

[Carsten Orlt] “and where exactly can i find this download?
resently moved to the archive page ( I will see why)

https://www.aja.com/ajashare/Kona3_v3.4_Additional_Easy_Setups.zip

KONA 3 Additional Easy Setups (ZIP archive) for Final Cut Pro version 5 and KONA Driver software version 3.4 or newer (required) These Easy Setups provide support for 1080p23.98, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p29.97, 1080p30, 1080p50, 1080p59.94, and 1080p60—in DVCProHD and 8-bit and 10-bit uncompressed formats. < They are just easy setups they will still work correctly with the Kona Card. For the IoHD I made my own- I have been told there are available with a call to support, however you need to make sure you understand the difference between 1080 P and PsF- Most decks do no support 1080 as a True Progressive signal only PsF. “why exactly is it off base when you confirm exactly the same I’m saying?”

Carsten – 1080 60p is beyond nearly all but the highest end users with an uncompressed bandwidth at nearly 500 megabytes a sec as a DUAL LINK signal and currently only 3-4 camera models that can support the format for acquisition, only SRW1 and 5800SR deck can handle the playback.

It has little if no use as a delivery format since the bandwidth required to handle the material, even as mpeg transport stream, is more than 2x that needed for standard 1080 60i to a satellite now.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Inside look at the IoHD

[Bill Paris]

Hey Guys,

Wanted to thank you for the “Tech Knowledge”. I experimented with the worst clip from my project by following your directions and it made a huge difference! I described the problem as buzzing, but actually it was like the detail level in the camera was set too high and I was getting small image shifts in the fine detailed areas of the picture…. in this case grass. The effect is still there, but it’s acceptable for the standard def client DVD. In HD you can see something going on, but it’s hardly noticeable. I may experiment with F900 to make sure the detail is not set too high. Thanks again for all the help!

Bill Paris

[Giovanni Granada]

Hi Jeremy

Reading your knowledgeable answers I thought you could help me with a technical problem
regarding interlacing problems when converting H.264 to Prores HQ.

Please let me know if I can bother you with this.

Thanks in advance

Giovanni Granada