KiProTour – Toronto and NYC this week, ATL and MIA next.

[Ben Holmes]

I missed the UK tour date due to work commitments.

Can you clarify something for me, Gary?

Can you use the KiPro in the same way as the IOHD? In other words, can it be used to playback directly from FCP? If not, I guess you can render out your timeline to ProRes and play it out from the KiPro (I work in live enviroments where I might play back to over devices other than tape) but in this case, I presume I wouldn’t get the hardware acceleration of the IOHD, right?

Just trying to figure out where the device fits into AJA’s product tree, and what the advantage and the disadvantages of this are over the IOHD (apart from one-box convenience).

Also, how does it compare sizewise to the IOHD – I always felt that was too big for carry-on editing…

Any time you can spare to answer this very much appreciated..

Ben

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[Gary Adcock]

[Ben Holmes] “Can you use the KiPro in the same way as the IOHD? In other words, can it be used to playback directly from FCP?”

Sorry but no.

contrary to the rest of the AJA product line,the KiPro is meant to only be a onset capture device, and is not intended for use directly attached to a computer for FCP usage other than to transfer the media directly from the device.

You can capture to the KiPro from your Post setup for a location playback ( do this alot)

You can also playback rendered ProRes files from the KiPro with some provisions
< THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE>
File output currently needs to exactly match playback setting for rez and quality settings and use standard 8+3 naming convention

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[Rafael Amador]

Hi Gerry,
I would like have go to the Singapore presentation (miss a bit of civilization) but no possible.
Had you been there?
rafael

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[Gary Adcock]

[Rafael Amador] “I would like have go to the Singapore presentation (miss a bit of civilization) but no possible. Had you been there”

No,
due to scheduling- I am only handling the North American dates( US, Canada + Mexico)

I am hoping with the second round of dates starting in September that I will be doing additional dates across the US and possibly Europe, but I do not know if I will be handling any of the AsiaPac locations (I am dying to get to Australia and New Zealand)

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[Ben Holmes]

Many thanks.

I assume this means that if your laptop is not up to decoding ProRes at HD resolutions, the KiPro is not a great solution for a ‘fully field’ workflow, as much as I appreciate its other attributes.

That said, I’m hoping to persuade broadcasters and cameramen to look at them for using in situations where I have a MacPro for editing available.

Now, if someone could develop something that does what the IOHD does AND fits in a laptop bag, I’m there like a shot. So far, the nearest is the MXO2 – but in HD I’m limited to DVCProHD. Hard to see how the KiPro improves that particular situation… (working HDSDI – not HDMI).

Ben

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[Gary Adcock]

[Ben Holmes] “I assume this means that if your laptop is not up to decoding ProRes at HD resolutions, the KiPro is not a great solution for a ‘fully field’ workflow, as much as I appreciate its other attributes”

huh?
KiPro is a standalone device that does not require any additional support beyond power to record ProRes files directly from a camera or other source. No Laptop is needed, so I do not understand.
It has been designed as a DDR (digital disk recorder) that records only as Apple Prores. I have had no issue working with files output from my IoHD or from my Io Express demo unit.

Ben,
you assume too quickly,

I am showing projects that are both ProRes and XDcamEX 35 Mb/s Native on a 2007 Macbook Pro (with a frakking Express card slot Apple!!!) without rendering using an early version of the IoExpress – a sub $1000 output product that is designed specifically for tapeless production of all types, not just those that start and end in ProRes.

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[Walter Biscardi]

[Ben Holmes] “I assume this means that if your laptop is not up to decoding ProRes at HD resolutions, the KiPro is not a great solution for a ‘fully field’ workflow, as much as I appreciate its other attributes. “

Ben, you understand the Ki Pro is a DDR, right? A field digital disk recorder that is a stand alone unit that records from any camera or video source directly to Apple’s ProRes codec. There is no laptop required to run this unit. It’s completely stand alone.

What you end up with are ProRes video files on a DDR.

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[Ben Holmes]

Thanks Walter – I understand all too clearly what the KiPro is, and expect to be using it myself in the near future.

I must admit, I may have confused myself on this one – at present I have a limitation on the MXO2 using ProRes at 1080i resolutions, as the MXO2 cannot keep up with the ProRes conversion from HD-SDI (at 1080 resolutions – it will do 720p), because it relies on the laptop for the processing ‘grunt’ to deal with such an intensive codec. Hence, the issue is the TRANSCODING on capture.

Clearly, if all I want to do is play and edit ProRes at full HD on a laptop all I need is a fast enough drive such as the one supplied with the KiPro (and an Intel Macbook/pro). In this case, I’m good to work with any laptop (like my old 2.33Ghz MBP) and I could pass a correctly configured ProRes file back to the KiPro for playout. What I lose over the IOHD is the ability to monitor my edit on an external monitor or speakers – not ideal, but not unknown in a field situation. If I want to add monitoring, I’d have to look at additionally purchasing the IOExpress, or using my MXO2. All correct?

What I’m looking for is an acceptable and portable ‘one box’ solution where all I have is a laptop and a deadline. Nothing ‘ideal world’ about it, but with the massive KiPro advantage of capturing whilst shooting.

Phew – sorry for confusion, mad busy at the moment, and with little time to ponder my posts. Hope I did not cause any additional confusion for anyone looking at this item – I have high hopes for incorporating it into my workflow soon…

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[Gary Adcock]

[Ben Holmes] ” at present I have a limitation on the MXO2 using ProRes at 1080i resolutions, as the MXO2 cannot keep up with the ProRes conversion”

yes that would be a limitation of any CPU based compressions, KiPro and IoHD use proprietary ProRes compress in hardware- so the limitation is only yours.

Capture and playback of ProRes content on the Kona products is not CPU dependent, since it is handled by processors on the device, not via CPU and RAM power.

[Ben Holmes] “What I lose over the IOHD is the ability to monitor my edit on an external monitor or speakers – not ideal, but not unknown in a field situation. “

But since the device is ONLY intended to be a capture DDR- you loose nothing – It is not being marketed as a replacement for the IoHD- that is solely your assumption.

I do not know of ANY DDR that also acts as a playout monitor- unless it is RaveHD,
as far as I know neither of the S.Two or Waifian devices do not handle “playout” from FCP.

Ben It is not part of the design of this product, no more than a hammer is a screw driver.

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[Ben Holmes]

Gary

Late reply to this – been very busy, so if you don’t see it, no problem.

None of my comments were intended as a ‘slight’ to the KiPro, although they seem to have been taken as one. On the contrary, I’m very impressed by the KiPro.

All I am trying to do is get clear in my mind where I stand between a number of different products, and understand where they fit into my own workflow – which is far from standard. I do (although again it seems to have not come across) understand that this is a DDR. However, I believe for me, working in a live broadcast environment, with ENG cameramen sometimes, it could be a little more. I was just trying to establish how much more.

Thanks very much for your clarifications, appreciate your time in this matter.

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