Keep In/Out points without keywords?

[Jeremy Garchow]

Favorites. Hit f after hitting I and o.

It will mark a little green line, and show up in list view, and you can sort the event browser by favorites.

You can’t overlap favorites at the moment.

Hit u to clear the favorite.

[Jon Smitherton]

Thanks Jeremy,

So you would go through your footage hit f (ie like a selects roll)
then sort by favourites then add clips to the timeline as a workflow?

Cheers,
Jon

[Loren Risker]

Using the favorites can be a great way to make a quick bookmark, but if your favorites overlap they get combined into one. I highly recommend assigning a keyword as soon as you make a selection, and before you drop it into the timeline. I also find it annoying that you lose the ins and outs, but for now I find I like that it forces me to be more disciplined about organizing.

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[Richard Herd]

Once the clip is in the timeline, select it, hit Shift-F.

[Bruce Wittman]

When you had selected your clip and make it a favorite with the “F” key a green line appears over your clip. If you click that green line, your IN and OUT points associated with that favorite shows up. NICE!

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[Steve Connor]

[Bruce Wittman] “When you had selected your clip and make it a favorite with the “F” key a green line appears over your clip. If you click that green line, your IN and OUT points associated with that favorite shows up. NICE!
“

I hadn’t realised it actually did this until a recent discussion on the other FCPX forum, I now use it all the time

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[jon smitherton] “So you would go through your footage hit f (ie like a selects roll)
then sort by favourites then add clips to the timeline as a workflow?”

There are many ways to do it. That is certainly one way.

I don’t want to skew your thinking too much as FCPX has many ways of working. Here’s some suggestions.

Another way is to add those favorites to a compound clip in the browser (sort by favorites, select all the favorites and create new compound clip) and have a skimmable clip of all of your selects that sits in the Event instead of making another timeline. You could even keyword that compound clip as something generic like “Selects_Compound” and then add a smart collection that searches for “Selects_Compund”. This way any compound clip you make with that tag will automatically get sorted to the smart collection.

You can then further refine those selects with a range if you’d like and add those ranges to your Project. Once that clip in the Project, you can break it apart to it’s original elements, or keep it in the compound clip, that’s up to you.

Another way (and this is more of a workaround) is that as soon as you make a range, add it to your Project anywhere you’d like. Hitting the ‘e’ let will put all the selects at the end of your Project. Once they are in the timeline, you can always match frame (shift-f) back to the clip in the Event as Richard points out.

Yet another way, if to just keep the clips as favorites and work off of the clips as favorites in the Event.

Favorites, unfortunately, can’t overlap. If you need overlapping ranges, you can use Keyword collections for that. but I find that to be messy. I use favorites as transitory sections. Sometimes they stick around for a long time, other times, I mark a favorite but will later delete it. It really depends on your workflow and style.

I will say, it does take some getting used to as to finding what works for you.

Here’s a write up I did (with pictures!) if you’re interested:

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/34787

Jeremy

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Bruce Wittman] “When you had selected your clip and make it a favorite with the “F” key a green line appears over your clip. If you click that green line, your IN and OUT points associated with that favorite shows up. NICE!”

Yes, it holds on to this as an in and out point, or what FCPX calls a range.

It’s not perfect, but it does do the job. It does take a bit of rethinking when coming from other NLEs.

Once you get used to it, it’s a pretty decent method.

Jeremy

[Jon Smitherton]

Excellent thanks Jeremy.
Nearly sounds like an Avid workflow with putting sequences in the source monitor.

So:
Make favourite (f)
Select favorites in bin.
Make compound clip.
Edit compound clip into timeline.

How do you ‘break apart the original elements’? Which I assume means
un-compound when the clips are in the timeline.
I understand FCPX has problems with project file bloat with compound clips – so would understand if this is necessary.
I also assume you would need to do this if you need frames outside the in/outs of your clip in the compound clip.

Could edit(how I did it in FCP7) by cutting selects into timeline then match frame or cut/paste into new timeline.

I still think it should retain the in/outs after you jump to another clip in the browser – it’s just not straight forward enough without it.

Cheers,
Jon.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[jon smitherton] “Nearly sounds like an Avid workflow with putting sequences in the source monitor.”

No worries, Jon. I certainly don’t have all the answers so I’d be curious to see what you find.

As far as loading the sequence into the viewer (or source as Avid and Pr call it) yes, it’s similar and could be done with fcp7 too. The nice thing is you can open that compund clip in it’s own timeline if you want and edit down further as a regular timeline works. It’s fairly flexible.

You are right, breaking apart simply removed the compound container once added to the timeline. To do so, simply right click on the clip in the time and choose “break apart clip items” or select the clip and choose command-shift-g.

This way, if you need to match back to the master clip for whatever reason, it will match to the orig clip and not the compound. Hope that makes sense. You can certainly keep it as a compound in the Project if you want.

And there is a bloat issue with compounds in projects. I find if the compound clips are relatively short, the bloat isn’t as bad, and it only starts to go bad if you actually split the compound with an edit.

[jon smitherton] “I still think it should retain the in/outs after you jump to another clip in the browser – it’s just not straight forward enough without it.”

Maybe it will someday, but if you dive deep in to how the Event browser works, you’ll see that retaining that in/out might not be easy as as it seems. I attempted to explain it in that other thread I linked to. Many gallons of virtual ink have been spilled on this issue. 🙂

Jeremy