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Jony Ives and the next FCPX GUI
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Even some of the hardcore guys decry it quite regularly. that’s why there is so much fantasising about roles being magical fix everything ponies – the general notion is that they will dynamically re-assert tracks on the fly for role tagged audio elements? like no one hasn’t heard this a million times mind you….”
True, it’s workaround city at this point. I will say – and I have zero insider info here but… – it’s my belief that Apple is aware of this, and is working on a solution for better visual timeline organization and better audio handling in general. I have had very long email exchanges with some folks there, complete with piles of screenshots and novel length critiques and suggestions. They know the problems, and haven’t told me to bugger off. 🙂 In fact they invite me to send more, as detailed as possible. I’m looking forward to what they come up with. It’s not a simple fix…
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ello – are you like, a signed developer type there steve?
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If we had (green) audio tracks, AND audio was also still embedded in (blue) video clips, which would control export? Do tracks get mapped to tracks or roles? Do the roles get mapped to tracks? Are tracks roles or are they tracks? It could get pretty messy pretty quick.
Perhaps we could have “role-tracks” where anything that is a particular role gets placed in an area that isn’t really a track, but an organizational area that can still have secondaries and audio on top of audio within that area. THAT would kinda be best of both worlds. So all your FX might be the lower 3rd of the audio area, the music might be the middle and the VO or dialog might be top third. Expanding audio of blue video clips could pop the elements into their “role track” as an option, and keep them linked.
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I half have some faith that what Jony is doing in such a short period is going to ripple through everything Apple. This was a test for him, and although he generally seems to have grabbed every idea from jailbreaks or Android, he has passed with flying colors I’d say. The implementation of ideas just seems clearer, smoother, more integrated than android. Hopefully this will trickle through everything Apple.
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It’s the one that “lights up” when I select Show Role= FX from my Timeline Index.
Which means I can have both clip collision avoidance AND the ability to seek and find by roles all the time.Sweet!
BTW, you can avoid much of the “jumping around” stuff under discussion here if you just are mindful of a work order that puts longer contiguous assets in upper tracks – and positions shorter assets in positions where the condiguous ones will block the smaller ones from moving too much.
Not really any different than a painter learning to work with lighter pallet colors first, and bringing in the darker ones later. It’s just kinda how paint works.
The missing idea is working in X like it’s X. And getting over the need to work in X as if it’s still Legacy.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “there really actually is a core problem there.”
I think what you meant to say was “there really actually is a core problem there for the smallish subset of editors who need to work with very complex audio mixes and find that the way X handles audio doesn’t enable them to do that in the program – as it exists right now.”
If that’s what you actually meant, then fine. Point taken.
It’s unfortunate for you guys in that class that while that definitely represents a slice of the people who hang out here – it’s a pretty small slice of the overall class of editors that X stands ready – right now – to empower to work faster and smarter.
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For the record, his name is Ive, not Ives. As much as I’d be flattered if he had the same last name as me, I’m sure he prefer that we have no connection…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Bret Williams] “Perhaps we could have “role-tracks” where anything that is a particular role gets placed in an area that isn’t really a track, but an organizational area that can still have secondaries and audio on top of audio within that area. THAT would kinda be best of both worlds. So all your FX might be the lower 3rd of the audio area, the music might be the middle and the VO or dialog might be top third. Expanding audio of blue video clips could pop the elements into their “role track” as an option, and keep them linked.”
That’s more or less what I was thinking. I honestly don’t mind expanded elements sticking with the video, as long as their roles highlight properly. But if Roles and their subroles in connected clips would stick together as a group, and possibly be color codeable and bus-able, that would solve my problem. If I cut a music clip and it moves up a little, no biggie… if it sticks in it’s “group” If I want to do some silly single frame audio or video flutter cut I can just stick it in a secondary.
The “not easy” part comes when you have multitrack audio clips with different Roles (dia, mx, fx etc) and more than one is enabled. I imagine that’s a hair puller. 🙂
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[Charlie Austin] “In fact they invite me to send more, as detailed as possible. I’m looking forward to what they come up with. It’s not a simple fix…”
What a novel approach. Instead of telling the creator of something that their work is total trash and the digital version of the spawn of the devil – you engage in constructive give and take – acknowledging the value and working on resolving what you see as less than ideal about their approach.
And you find a sympathetic ear!
Next you’ll be suggesting that the folks building X are honest to god human beings… and your blasphemy will be complete, Charlie.
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[Bill Davis] “The missing idea is working in X like it’s X. And getting over the need to work in X as if it’s still Legacy”
All due respect Bill, I work in X like its X, and it needs better timeline visual organization. If you’ve got 10 audio clips stacked in a timeline, not a biggie maybe. It’s an issue when you’ve got dozens.
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