Jitter/Stutter in PP and AE CS3 (effects both preview and encoded product)

[Jeff Brown]

Jeremy– some questions for you–

[Jeremy Gibson] “shot from my sony digi-cam 640×480 30fps.”

Are you sure about this? Standard NTSC DV would be 720×480, 29.97 FPS. A frame size/rate mismatch might be at the root of the problem. Have you tried the NTSC-DV project preset in CS3 ?
Or is this a “still” camera that shoots QTime? What does Premiere think the clips are– via info in the Project window?

-Jeff

[Jeremy Gibson]

Jeff,

thanks for the response. You are correct, it is a still camera that takes video in *.mpg format. Among other still cameras, I find it pretty good. I have made many PP movies using my older olympus which took movies in QT. I am using the NTSC-DV 4:3 preset. I looked in the project window and PP interprets the footage as 640×480 (1.0) 30fps, but my NTSC-DV preset is 720×480 (0.9) 29.97fps. This is obviously a frame/fps mismatch as you said, but for some reason I never had this problem with PP 2.0 using the same methods. I tried interpreting the footage to conform to NTSC-DV (0.9) just like the comp and it seems to remove the stutter, but also makes the footage pixelated. There has to be something different in the way that CS3 handles them vs. 2.0

Hopefully this has given a clearer picture of what is going on.

Thanks again. I’m glad I found this site!

-Jeremy

[Jeff Brown]

See if you can interpret the footage to be 640×480 (1.0) at 29.97 FPS, fields=none (progressive). Then the clips can be resized on the DV timeline to 720 wide (probably automatically if you have prefs at default settings). The preview might look a bit blocky, but if you render to DV it should be better. You might need to force a preview render by adding a video effect to the clips.
That’s all I can think of at the moment. You have an “interesting” (quirky) workflow there, but I would hope you can get CS3 to do what you want.

-jeff

[Jeremy Gibson]

Jeff,

Interpreting the footage at 29.97fps, gets rid of the stutter. I was able to apply the interp to all the footage in a few projects and fix some of the videos I have made, so that is a relief. One odd thing though. Some footage shot from the same camera, doesn’t stutter at all, even taken in the same place only a few minutes apart. Either way, nice to know it is fixed. Thanks for the help Jeff!

-Jeremy

[Jeremy Gibson]

Now the stutter is back. I am started a new project using a combination of DV fottage from the camcorder and the digital camera movie footage. The DV footage imports as 720×480 29.97fps, so to take advantage of the WS footage, I am using the same project settings. For some reason, now the footage shot from the same sony camera, in this new project, is defaultly interpreted as 25fps, not 30 as before. Now when I interpret at 29.97 the stutter goes away, but the audio is out of sync. But the sync issue only occurs in the sequence. If I view the same re-interpreted footage in the source monitor the audio is fine. What in the world is going on here? This is making no sense. I love CS3, but this is really frustrating, because I am doing nothing different than what I used to do in PP2.0

Thanks,

Jeremy

[Jeremy Gibson]

OK, I think I figured out what is happening, but I don’t know how to fix it. If I place the clip on the timeline, un-trimmed the audio is synced, but if I trimm the in or our point the audio looses sync. I even tried using the cut tool, but no difference.
Thanks,

Jeremy

[Jeremy Gibson]

Well now I am really hosed. I was playing with tring to resync the sound, and I determined that the sync problem was related to the time remap from the interpret. My project audio was 48hz and the footage from the camera that was giving me problems was 32. So I started a new project and tried the footage out. After a few minutes I got a /src/audio/AsioHost.cpp-409 error that I found no help on, because I had 1. Not had any xfade effects on the clip and 2. Not imported a PP2.0 project.

So I figured the install was corrupted and reinstalled only PP. Now when I start PP it says the installation failed and that “Licensing for this product has stopped working” even though the rest of CS3 works fine.

I checked around and followed all the steps on

https://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401528&sliceId=2

But no luck, this is too much to have to deal with. I hope maybe someone has an idea. I don’t have much free time for all this and was hoping to get a video made of our tour here in Iraq. We have about a month left and at this point I’d really love to go back to PP2.0, but by the time my wife sent all the stuff, I’d probably be on my way back..

If anyone can help please let me know. I know I should call Adobe tech support, but I don’t want to waste my morale call for this crap. Sorry, but this is really frustrating.

Thanks,

Jeremy

[Jon Barrie]

As much as this is annoying I don’t know how you captured the footage into the computer? tape based via WMM or PPro?…HDD based copied to HDD then edit?…
Anyway, you have it in the computer now. If the footage interpreted works properly as a whole clip in the source monitor without any sync issues. I’d do an export to DV AVI from there. I know its a copy and you should save it to another folder (called reExportDV – or something like that… try to keep the same file names). Use the 48K DV settings in Export>Movie… adjust the settings to be correct for the project settings (so they are then native to each other). Once you’ve done this to all the clips from the source monitor, without any in/out points – try to unlink all the media in the project panel. Then Link them to the new folder with DV exports. if the names are the same hopefully they will all relink to the new clips, and maintain all the editing you’ve done too. Because the clips settings will now be native to the 48K timeline the sync problem should be gone.
– Jon Barrie 🙂

How many editors does it take to change a light bulb?
http://www.jonbarrie.net

[Jeremy Gibson]

The project I have, is using a combo of miniDV footage from a camcorder and movie from my digital camera (still). I know that video from a still carmera is’nt the best to work with, but it’s not practical to carry the camcorder on our ops. Next tour I will probably invest in a flash based camcorder. Last tour I used PP2 and “still” camera footage with no issues, but I think because the video was in *.mov (QT) that it is a better format to work with as apposed to this sony which uses *.mpg

Good idea about exporting the interpreted footage, I will try it as soon as I get PP working again. Something has to be wrong with the install. After the install PP doesn’t give me to opportunity to reinput my license. It just goes straight to the “license” error and crashes. I am going to try reinstalling again in a few minutes, if that doesn’t work then I’ll remove the enite CS3 and use the cleaner tool.. Really annoying!

Thanks for the help!

-Jeremy

[Jeremy Gibson]

OK, it must have just been a corrupted install, PP is working now except for that stupid ASIO error is back. The exact error is:

Premiere Pro Debug Event
Premiere Pro has encountered an error
[….SrcAudioAsioHost.cpp-709]

Reinstalling certainly doesn’t work, I am going to try reinstalling my sound card etc.. and see if it is HW related. I really appreciate all the help and I know some of this should be in a separate thread, but it is just easier for someone to have the background. I’ve read some of the other threads about license errors and I don’t even want to be assosiated with that crowd.

Anyway, some progress has been made, just have to tackle that asio error. The only thing on the Adobe KB has to do with x-fades and PP2 imports, which I don’t fall under, so I’m clueless as to the issue.

Thanks again for the help,

Jeremy

**UPDATE**
Reinstalling my sound card drivers worked, now on to fixing the original probelm.

Thanks to Jeff and Jon for the help.

-Jeremy