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  • Posted by Ari Grunzeweig on October 1, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Hi There,

    Here is screenshot from my FCP timeline.
    This is part of an animation created in after effects as a NTSC DV Widescreen comp. I rendered it out as a lossless animation mov. When I play it in the final cut viewer it appears perfect, but when i put it on my sequence (NTSC DVD 3:2 ccir601, DVCpro50) it appears not very nice..

    I also tried to render out the animation from After Effects as a DVCpro50 file, but the result was the same..

    Where am I going wrong?
    Thanks!!

    Ari Grunzeweig replied 16 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Dennis Leppell

    October 1, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    I don’t see anything wrong, for being a screenshot of the canvas…Have you looked at this on an NTSC monitor? Bet it looks just fine there.

  • Michael Gissing

    October 1, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Firstly you need to render. Secondly you can only judge on an external interlaced monitor. Thirdly DV is not a good codec for graphics or any text with real edges.

  • Rafael Amador

    October 2, 2009 at 1:27 am

    ..and if you want to make a meaningful capture of your canvas, you need to set it at 100%.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Ari Grunzeweig

    October 2, 2009 at 2:40 am

    Hi, thanks for the responses.

    This screengrab is from a rendered sequence and it is set to 100% size.
    This video is mainly meant for web output, so I don’t think an NTSC monitor help the problem.

    That being said, any other ideas?

    I’ve attached a second screengrab of the same clip in the viewer after double clicking it from the project window and it appears perfectly. I know it is squashed but as soon as I drag it into the sequence it gets jagged as in the above image, whether the aspect ratio is at 0 or 33.33.

    Michael, you mentioned that DV (dvcpro50) is not a good codec to use.. what would be a better option? I’ve made hundreds of videos using this workflow, and I’ve never had this problem..

    Thanks

  • Michael Gissing

    October 2, 2009 at 2:52 am

    I always put my SD footage into a 10 bit uncompressed sequence for final render. DVCpro50 is certainly better than plain DV but cheap fast drives these days means that 10 bit uncompressed is easily done and if it is just to render your final sequence, the final render file size shouldn’t be such an issue.

    It certainly helps to make graphic elements and heavily grade manipulated footage looks as good as it SD can.

    That said, ProRes is a better compressed alternative than any of the Dv flavours.

  • Ari Grunzeweig

    October 2, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    I tried to render out my after effects animation as 10-bit uncompressed, and then put it in a 10-bit uncompressed final cut sequence.. but still the result was exactly the same.

    Other suggestions?

    Could it be that the logos have too fine lines for NTSC to interpret? I doubt it because the clip plays perfectly in quicktime and in the viewer but not on my sequence..

    HELP!

  • Ari Grunzeweig

    October 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Found the solution on the apple forums.. Michael, you were part of the way there. Thanks for the help!


    ike I outlined above, finish editing your show in the timeline with your current DVCPro50 seq settings so that you retain all the real time benefits etc.

    When you’ve locked your final cut then go into your seq settings and change the compressor in the drop down menu to Uncompressed 10bit. Then render the timeline and export the finished show using FILE>EXPORT QUICK TIME MOVIE, use Current Settings. make sure you dont use FILE> EXPORT USING QUICK TIME CONVERSION.
    Your text and graphics should look nice and sharp/crisp.

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