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I’ve discovered virtually all my problems with Vegas 10 and 11. It’s Cineform avi
Posted by Angelo Mike on November 9, 2011 at 3:40 pmI haven’t had a single crash, even when doing fairly processor intensive stuff, with the AVCHD files that come straight from my cameras. Vegas 11 doesn’t changed the pixel aspect ratio with my AVCHD footage the way it did with my avi files. I haven’t tried multicam editing with 11 yet, which I imagine will be slow with AVCHD (even dissolves stutter), but I’ll double my RAM and get 24 GB of DDR3.
AVCHD actually runs fairly well in Vegas 10. It stutters during transitions and other processor intensive effects (I reversed a clip, which must play back at 8 fps), but there you go. It was the combination of Vegas and avi that was causing crashes constantly, not letting me drag more than a handful of clips into the project media bin at a time or it would crash, and it came to a point two days ago when Vegas was crashing with avi.dll errors every single time I opened it.
Don’t use Cineform avi with Sony Vegas. It handles AVCHD fairly well, though you do have to have a powerful machine to run it. I have 12 GGB DDR3 RAM and even with that it can stutter.
Stephen Crye replied 14 years, 5 months ago 8 Members · 24 Replies -
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Jeff Schroeder
November 9, 2011 at 5:08 pmSo glad to here of your progress!
Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
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Jim Greene
November 9, 2011 at 5:52 pmIt’s funny, because when AVCHD files started coming out of cameras I was on VP8 and if I tried to drop too many events on the timeline it would crash, so I started using Cineform. Now I’m on VP10 and I no longer use Cineform, just native files.
-Jim.
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Angelo Mike
November 10, 2011 at 2:50 amI’ve been editing all day, cut two or three videos, and am working on another now, and still not a single crash. What a relief. I wish Sony had stated something about this. It would have saved me a few weeks of constant crashes and reinstalls.
http://www.scenethroughglass.com
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Al Bergstein
November 10, 2011 at 11:34 amMike, glad to hear it. Have you also validated this bug with Neoscene? I was over on their web site, especially their tech log (August 24: Ver 5.5.4 Build 332 is their current build) and they did not mention it yet. They have been a pretty good company in the past, as I’ve found, very responsive to problems. I would make sure you get this into their bug reports.
Not sure what the GOPRO acquisition of Neoscene has meant to their teams there. It’s a bit disconcerting to see that most of their tech updates seem to have ended back around April, when the buyout happened. Their RSS tech feed has been silent since then.
But let us know if you report the bug and what they say.
Al
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Angelo Mike
November 10, 2011 at 4:09 pmNo, and I should get back to them, because they were responsive a day or two ago with writing back about the problems I’m having. I can’t believe no one’s told them about this or they’ve never heard of it, and I actually don’t know if other people are able to use Cineform avi files in their projects. But I’m going to email them back with an update.
http://www.scenethroughglass.com
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Stephen Crye
November 10, 2011 at 9:35 pmHI;
I’ve never used Cineform .avi, so I probably don’t know exactly what you are talking about. However, when I need to save a portion of an AVCHD project to an intermediate file, I always HuffYUV. Lossless, seems to work great, no crashes. Produces .avi files that are about 1/3 the size of uncompressed .avi. They can be easily consumed by VirtualDub for various effects (mostly frame decimation for my time lapse projects)
Steve
Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T3400 MultiTB SATA 8 GB RAM Vegas 10e x64 DVDA 5.2 Sony HDR-CX550V
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Angelo Mike
November 10, 2011 at 11:37 pmI’ve got to learn Virtual Dub, since my camera doesn’t do time lapse, but I want it in some of my videos. What exactly is Virtual Dub?
Also, I have a new problem, since all my old projects are still in avi, but I need to incorporate some of their footage into newer ones. How can I convert them to something I can use, like mpeg or AVCHD? I guess wmv would work if Vegas works well with that, I’ve just never tried.
http://www.scenethroughglass.com
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Stephen Crye
November 11, 2011 at 6:51 amHi Angelo;
I created a video tutorial on using Huffy and Virtual Dub for time lapse. VeeDub is Da Bomb for decimation. Get HuffYUV installed first before working with VeeDub, because then you can use it to render the .avi clips, and take advantage of the lossless compression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRjzA9IYStc
Regarding using your old .avi files, try just dropping them into the Vegas timeline. Should work like a charm. If it does not, let me know and I will try to help.
Keep in mind that .avi, although huge, will have the best quality. Rendering to other formats like .wmv will introduce generation loss. You can mix clips of different types in Vegas. I show some of that in my tutorial.
Good luck and have fun!
Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T3400 MultiTB SATA 8 GB RAM Vegas 10e x64 DVDA 5.2 Sony HDR-CX550V
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Angelo Mike
November 11, 2011 at 6:26 pmSure, dropping avi clips into my project should work. And I can drop avi clips into Vegas, but the process is too unreliable and I get lots of crashes. Eventually, projects like the ones I’ve been working on just crash as soon as I open them. Cineform emailed me back and said that they tested avi with Vegas 11 and that it works fine, so whatever the problem is, it’s on Sony’s end. I’d rather use the avi clips for the quality and smoother editing, but whatever. I’ve had almost nothing but problems in the last two months or so using avi with Vegas 10 and 11.
Thanks for the tutorial.
http://www.scenethroughglass.com
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Stephen Crye
November 11, 2011 at 7:57 pmHi Angelo;
Don’t give up yet. Lots us of drop huge .avi clips into Vegas and don’t have crashes. I routinely edit .avi files that are 30 minutes long (or longer).. Some of them are hundreds of gigs in size. My system is almost three years old and is underpowered by current standards.
My apologies if the following is obvious or trivial, just trying to cover some foundational items.
I assume you are using 10e? 10d crashed a lot but 10e has been much more stable for me. Sorry if I missed that in your earlier posts. Suggestion: put your system specs into you Cow profile and include that with your posts.
More RAM does not help Vegas render faster. 12 GB is plenty. Suggestion: download and install Process Explorer:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653
Set it to run when your system starts so you always have it. Configure all the little systray icons to display (Options, Tray Icons, check all of them). It will show you that Vegas is not consuming huge amounts of RAM, but probably lots of CPU (good). You can also display bigger versions of the graphs when the program is maximized.
Steve
Win7 Pro X64 on Dell T3400 MultiTB SATA 8 GB RAM lots of big fast SATA drives. Vegas 10e x64 DVDA 5.2 build 133 Sony HDR-CX550V
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