ITV studios convenes meeting. basically tells attending avid editors to start using premiere.

[Andy Field]

I’ve done a number of projects with a “mish mash” of formats on Premiere Pro CC…not yet with 2014….and while it’s very good, it is not foolproof….some oddball formats with various filters can gum up the works, but that may be more a function of the 3rd party filter than Premiere Pro…

the upside – little or no rendering for smooth edit playback….you worry about the final format when you are finished.

All in all – the time saved in trans-coding on ingest in Premiere Pro and far outweighs any issues at the other end. (if needed with a troublesome clip at the end – just trans-code that clip and move on

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852

[Kevin Monahan]

Hi Franz,

[Franz Bieberkopf] “Personally I just haven’t read or heard much about how robust the software is on a large project – by which I mean thousands of clips, hundreds of sequences, over many months.”

We are testing projects in house with tens of thousands of clips. It’s looking very good for large, complex projects. Thanks for your concern.

Cheers,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan
Support Product Manager—DVA
Adobe After Effects
Adobe Premiere Pro
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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Kevin Monahan] “We are testing projects in house with tens of thousands of clips. It’s looking very good for large, complex projects. Thanks for your concern.”

seeing as how all of us are starting to bow to you – why be mean about the win?

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Kevin Monahan] “We are testing projects in house with tens of thousands of clips.”

Kevin,

Thanks for the response.

Are you doing similar tests with hundreds or thousands of sequences in a single project?

Franz.

[Steve Connor]

[Kevin Monahan] “We are testing projects in house with tens of thousands of clips. It’s looking very good for large, complex projects. Thanks for your concern.”

Real world is very different than “in-house” as you know. Let’s see what happens over the next few months. I’m about to start a large project on it so fingers crossed

Steve Connor
Mellowing slowly

[Dennis Radeke]

[Andrew Kimery] “I’m doing a feature doc on the side with CC and it’s my test bed to see how it does with large projects.”

RAM is the key. We routinely test versions with 10 or 20k clip projects and 24 hour timelines, but to make it hum, RAM is vital. Don’t be afraid to do 64GB of RAM if it’s possible for you. The opposite holds more true – Don’t do a large project on 8GB of RAM and expect it to perform well. 😉

[Dennis Radeke]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “I get that the best people on earth edit with avid but -“

I would disagree at a philosophical level. The best people can edit on anything and often do. Talent doesn’t need a specific tool. And as mentioned by Fincher, Coen’s, etc., some of those best people can edit on Premiere Pro. Many still edit on Avid. Some switch to FCPX and so on…

[Andrew Kimery]

[Dennis Radeke] “RAM is the key. We routinely test versions with 10 or 20k clip projects and 24 hour timelines, but to make it hum, RAM is vital. Don’t be afraid to do 64GB of RAM if it’s possible for you. The opposite holds more true – Don’t do a large project on 8GB of RAM and expect it to perform well. ;-)”

Thanks for the tip Dennis. I’ve got 24gigs right now but I’ll keep an eye on RAM usage and upgrade if it become a bottle neck. What about project file size? I know FCP 7 would start crashing left and right if a project got to be over 90megs. Is their a similar ceiling to PPro? Also, someone else brought up timelines and in my experience with FCP 7 it was timelines that ballooned project file sizes, not really the number of clip in a project.

[Misha Aranyshev]

Comparing to some really tough mess like a Reality TV, feature film editing workflow is pretty straightforward. I don’t see why would anybody need a small team to edit a feature film in FCP 3 after a couple of dozens of feature films were successfully edited in FCP 1 and 2. Hollywood politics is my guess. Maybe I should read the book though.

[Oliver Peters]

” I don’t see why would anybody need a small team to edit a feature film in FCP 3 after a couple of dozens of feature films were successfully edited in FCP 1 and 2.”

I’m not sure what small army either. Walter Murch worked with experienced assistant Sean Cullen, plus they had some other assistants, like any other film. Digital Film Tree provided training and support. As CM was shot on film, there was probably film finishing on the back end, including negative cutting.

Which other films are you talking about? Prior to CM, the Coens had cut one film on FCP.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com