Is VP11 the ugly duckling?

[Michal Bronec]

Do I need to buy Cineform Neoscene or its included in Vegas?

[John Rofrano]

[Michal Bronec] “Do I need to buy Cineform Neoscene or its included in Vegas?”

CineForm NeoScene is a separate product that you must purchase.

~jr

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[Mike Calla]

Just a note: This is my personal experience, yours may differ. I have this setup on 3 systems, From a new i7 to an old dual core Pentium.

Ok,
Vegas 7, (If you still have it installed:) came with Cineform v2.5 preinstalled. If you have Vegas Pro 8 or 9 installed as well, they will read and be able to render to back to Cineform v2.5. And if you want to batch render with Cineform V2.5 in v8 & 9 you must first create a render template in v7 (and actually render something, 1 frame is enough)then the template will show up in the batch render templates of 8 and 9 (it will show up in v10 but it will just give a codec missing error if you try to render).

Now, Vegas Pro 10 can read (not write)Cineform V2.5 files either 100% of the time or it 0% of the time. If its 0% you can install the free Cineform neoplayer decoder. It will allow Vegas v10 to 100% read Cineform V2.5 files.

HOWEVER installing the free Cineform neoplayer decoder will install over the preinstalled Cineform V2.5 codec in Vegas 7, and bye bye rendering with cineform!!

What you need to do to get the rendering back in v7,8 & 9 is re-install Vegas V7. This will give you back the Cineform V2.5 codec read and write in v7, 8 & 9 and the ability to read in v10

other notes:

– i always keep v7, and now v9 on machines in case i need to open up old projects and save them in the same version, that’s how i found out this works

– STEP 1:my install order is v7, then (i don’t do v8, hate it), 9 and 10. If v10 can’t read the cineform files made in 7, 8 & 9 , i…
STEP 2: install the free Cineform neo/player decoder, then reinstall Vegas v7. This has worked 100% of the time for me… for you…who knows!

– If you have AE, or etc on your machine and you want to be able to read the old Cineform V2.5 codec, STEP 2 is needed. Although you can’t render back to it.

– Cineform V2.5 was a codec meant for HDV video, so its resolution is 1440 x 1080, 8bit, 4:2:2. Not 1920 x 1080 10bit, 4:2:2. If you apply a little colour correction/grading the free codec holds up well. But because the preinstalled Cineform codec is 8 bits, if you apply a heavy grade, the codec starts to break down, but not so much.

– Cineform V2.5 performance and quality compared to the current Neo codec: viewed on a 40 inch Panasonic broadcast display, the colors are bang on, the perceived sharpness is a tad, just a tad, i mean a tad softer on the Cineform V2.5 codec. and this on a paused frame side by side. when playing, i can’t tell which is which.

Performance is a little different – although file sizes are larger in the recent paid versions of the neoscene/HD/neo codec, its performance on older machines is better, not a lot, but definitely noticeable. On a newer i7s the two codec’s performance are identical, or at least imperceptible.

[Michal Bronec]

Thanks for the info!