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Is this possible with the new production suite?
I have shot a play with three cameras and am currently editing using the new multi-cam functionality with PP2. I love it and it saves so much time, although it is not without its flaws. My real problem is Audio. For my master shot I took a direct feed from the mixing board, which I was told would be the final mix. The problem is that it was only mixed with the talents wireless mics. No orchestra / sound effects. My only saving grace is that I have the audio from the other cameras. Here is the detailed problem. When I sync the audio up, the talking / singing sounds bad (almost like reverb). Here is the million dollar question; Can Audition remove the talking / singing from the other camera and just leave the music? This might be a very stupid question I know. But I guess I was hoping that there was some sort of audio tool that can remove a certain frequency that I would be able to key on. I also know that this depends on the voice/singing stays in this range.
Any help would be very appreciated.
Best Regards,
Joe Cinquina
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Hmmm, unless you had some wierd delay in the live sound mixes /monitor mixes etc.. your should be able to sync everything up by sliding your master track against the camera sound.
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Thanks for the reply. I actual can match it. I guess I wasn’t too clear as to what I am trying to achevive. I would like to keep the voice from the mixingboard because it is so clean. I then want to take the ausio from another camera and strip the voice just leaving the orchestra. Then I can marry the two.
Thanks again.
Joe
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You probably can’t “remove” the voices from your audio tracks from your other two cameras. However, you might be able to improve the overall sound. I come at this from the background of an orchestra conductor and voice teacher who is now into video production.
The predominant frequency range of the male voice is from about 200 to 3500 hz. Female is 400 to 3500 or so. These numbers are close. I’d have to look them up to be exact.
The interesting thing is that you don’t have to remove all of it. There are 4 predominant fequencies when a person sings (and talks) 1-the fundamental (the speed the vocal chords are vibrating); 2 and 3-vowel formants (two separate frequencies or overtones which determine the particular “vowel” sound the listener will perceive) and 4-the “ring” overtone which gives the mature voice a “ringing” quality as compared to the rather dead sound of the youthful singer or an untrained adult singer.
The trick I have used is to filter out just the lower two frequencies with one of the equalizers and frequency filters (the notch filter is good) in Audition. Don’t worry if you hear just a little (high pitched, tinny sound). If your cameras were positioned left and right, you probably have a little bit of difference between the strength of the voices depending on which actor was closer to that camera (unless both cameras were close to a speaker pumping out the sound guy’s audio mix in which all bets are off).
Even so this still might help. The little bit of high frequency sound you have left is going to be covered up by the “master” mix on your main track. Put all three tracks on your timeline an mix them together. Hopefully, the orchestra stuff you eliminated from your left camera track will still be a little stronger in the right track and vice versa. Remember that the frequencies from the voices on your master track should somewhat “cover up” those orchestra frequencies anyhow to “protect the dialogue at any cost.”
You might try “adding” some reverb to that orchestra track an make the viewer think that the inadvertent reverb was intended. Push up the volumn on the master track to balance with the orchestra and then adjust everything on your master fader.
What I am suggesting is hours of “tweaking.” I’ve “fixed” some pretty bad stuff this way. Good luck.
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Maestro – That was amazing. You knew my exact delimea. The problem is that I have a very condensed delivery date and if I spend the time as you suggest, I might have to give somewhere else,like special features. I must say though, I can see where your approach would indeed make a signifacnt difference. All you have to do now, is make your own pluggin that has some intelligence built into based on your theroy and you can make some money. I know I would buy it!
Thanks again.
Regards,
Joe
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Actually, Adobe has already done it with Audition 2 (sort of). I saw a demonstration in Orlando a couple of weeks ago. In the new version when the spectrum analysis is displayed, you can “lasso” a particular frequency, hit a button and it is eliminated. They demonstrated it with a cell phone ringing at a bad time and a squeak of a door that needed to be removed. These two aberations were easy to see in the spectrum analysis view. Voices would not be as clear but they might stand out. Sooner or later I’ll try it. Again. Good luck.
Now if someone will just help me with my 16:9 aspect problems when burning DVD’s in Encore I would be a happy camper.
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[maestro1208] “Now if someone will just help me with my 16:9 aspect problems when burning DVD’s in Encore I would be a happy camper.”
If the MPEG file has the wrong aspect ratio (4:3) you can “re-flag” the file to 16:9 with ReStream.
— Bob C
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or you can just highlight the clip in the project window and select “interpret Footage” and then tell it that you are using a different aspect ratio
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