Is the name clouding our judgement?

[Bill Davis]

[Jeremy Garchow] “I do agree the foundation has been built, but let’s not make it to be more than what it is.

Right now it’s a really fast and extremely efficient renaming and description system. I welcome that, but it needs to be opened up even more. I’m sure it will get there, otherwise apple will have wasted a bunch do time for nothing as the sheer amount do metadata that it’s primed for is staggering.”

I guess I see the metadata foundations of X as buying into a house with electricity and decent wiring.

I may not own (or even have current access to) all the specific electric appliances, that I suspect I will come to enjoy in the future – but the fact that the electrical distribution network was designed into the basic architecture is the most critical factor.

If all I have is a couple of 2 prong plugs in the kitchen, I’ve got a problem.
(having lived for more than a decade in a house built in 1937 , I can attest to the fact that six to 10 2-prong ungrounded outlets were once adequate for a “modern” home, are NOT optimal any longer – times have changed!)

The rest I can deal with over time.

“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

[Michael Gissing]

[Bill Davis] but the fact that the electrical distribution network was designed into the basic architecture is the most critical factor.

Continuing your metaphor, I think Jeremy was saying the connection to the street is what’s missing. If, when and how that happens is yet to be revealed. I hope the team at Apple are reading all the published specs and not going it alone.

[Bill Davis]

[Neil Patience] “”Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor”

So your words are “true” are they Bill ? “respectful” of other peoples experiences ? “needed” and “civil” ?

I respect your experience and can see that for you FCPX is great – however from your reply I am questioning that you are totally practicing what you preach.

best wishes
Neil
https://www.patience.tv“

Yeah. Sorry.

You touched a nerve that’s been a bit raw recently. And for all I know I totally mis-interpreted your tone and intent. If so, sorry. My bad.

I’m a bit conditioned to being one of the few voices here (thankfully not the only one – or even the most persuasive) that cares about the success of this software.

I’m a bit loyal because it’s making my life a lot easier these days.

And I’d hate to see a lot of editors who could use and benefit from it falling into a sinkhole of kvetching and never finding their way out.

I’ll try to me more temperate. And again, sorry if I overreacted.

(and while i aspire to Justice O’Conners standards, unfortunately I’m perfectly capable of falling short of that sensible standard. – again, sorry.)

“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

[George Howard]

I am enjoying all the comments, but I recognize a pattern that I have seen in myself. In posting back and forth, one can become frustrated that people are not “getting” my point. Each post can become slightly emotionally elevated, partially because the very face-to-face feedback we all receive when we are in the same room is absent on the Internet. From my viewpoint, each of you are making excellent points, and the whole is greater than the individual parts. We can not convince anyone against their will, and new ideas take time to be understood. I see you all as giving us your valuable time and experience, and my best advice, from experience, is when you find yourself getting worked up and combative, walk away from the keyboard. Thank you all, again, for your excellent comments.

[George Howard]

And now Bill has apologized, showing respect and responsibility. Bill, you have lived up to your excellent quote, and I salute you.

[Neil Patience]

No worries Bill – I appreciate your reply, we all get a bit touchy sometimes.

[Bill Davis] ”
And I’d hate to see a lot of editors who could use and benefit from it falling into a sinkhole of kvetching and never finding their way out.”
Maybe you should use your obvious passion and enthusiasm for FCPX to teach ? I’m guessing you have years of experience that others could benefit from. Hey its a thought 🙂

Probably, like most of us, too busy earning a living though.

Anyway thanks again.

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv

[Tony West]

[Neil Patience] “We cut features and highlights that support a studio show that is on air for 8 hours a day 7 days a week and additionally around 20 inserts for each of 3 live news items.
So I have a pretty good idea what it takes to create content under pressure of time and TX deadline.
This is totally done on Avid “

We have Avid at our FOX stations also (but not in the trucks) and we have great people who can cut the heck out of sports on Avid.

It’s just not for me. For me I can cut faster on X

THEY can cut just fine on Avid. It’s a matter of TASTE at that point. I don’t like bins, I like my skimmer and
I don’t like Avid’s title tool over X’s titles. I don’t like tracks. But THEY do.

Both tools can work.

They know their Avid and have used it for years and I’m sure they don’t see why they should start all over with this.

I don’t want them to if they don’t want to.

Some people are fine looking at that render bar in 7. Unacceptable for me at this point. Everyone has their thing.

I will say that two of our Avid folks are looking at X and liking it.

They won’t be the last.

[Walter Soyka]

Brace yourselves…

I agree with you, Bill.

I gave the what on interchange, and you gave the wherefore.

My comment in this thread was meant to be pretty limited in scope: we were talking about FCPX as an editing assistant, rough cut, or offline editorial application, so naturally interchange would have been an important part of that. If you can run your edit from start to finish in FCPX, you don’t need interchange. If you need more capability than FCPX currently allows, though, interchange to another app that offers that capability will be a challenge.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

[Walter Soyka]

[Oliver Peters] “Because it is called Final Cut Pro, I think a lot of us are trying to MAKE it work, when often it isn’t the right choice. Hence, a lot of frustration. Thoughts?”

I’d like to propose a variation on this question: if the product where NOT called Final Cut Pro, would it have gotten the consideration it did?

Would FCPX have been rejected for those workflows where it does offer compelling advantages if not for its apparent pedigree? Would “Magneto-Data-Edit” from “Developer X” have fared as well on the App Store?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

[Misha Aranyshev]

Possibly. What I saw launching FCPX for the first time wasn’t an NLE but an interesting footage archive solution. Looked great for home. Looked promising for emerging “newspaper television” market.