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Is Pro-res keeping us Mac Based?
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Frank, you said on another thread that Miraizon was working for you flawlessly. Is that still the case?
If so, not bad for $50.
Telestream has been doing it since 2011, btw. So has Rhozet. Sure, your mileage will vary, but those options have been working fine for years, and I’ve seen only positive comments about both of them.
Those are admittedly multi-codec transcoding solutions that aren’t meant to be “the” answer for ProRes on Windows, but for anyone doing it regularly on a large-ish scale, they’re affordable and very simple.
It’s a codec, ppl. Just a codec. People manage codecs every day. People manage QC every day. This isn’t rocket science. It’s barely even science at all. The solutions are more numerous, easy, affordable and high-quality than most web or DVD solutions just a couple of years ago.
So for another tack at Brooks’ question, yes, the BELIEF that this isn’t possible may be keeping people on Macs. 🙂
But for another tack at my answer, what’s keeping people on Macs is that they prefer Macs and/or FCP/X — and preference is the only reason to do anything. Once you do what you prefer, you can make the rest work, and it’s almost never all that hard.
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Tim, yes, the Miraizon solution is working flawless for me. Given its price, it is a great solution although it isn’t the fastest option out there.
I have to say, though, that I am not using Prores or Quicktime in general very often these days when outputting from an NLE (Edius). Only when circumstances specifically require it.
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My deliverables are all ProRes and it is a factor keeping me on Macs. I know there are some windows solutions for this, but why would I want to go with a third party solution for my main deliverable? I want something that my NLE can handle straight out of the box, so that when something goes wrong I can simplify my trouble shooting. Editing is hard enough, I have no need to be a pioneer when I don’t have to. When Quicktime can run on a PC as well as it does on a Mac, or when my deliverables change, then I’ll happily change back to PCs.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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As far as the person preference goes, I was just trying to keep the mac vs pc debate out of it for a second, so people would take a fresh look at what keeps them on mac. Is it prores, or fcpx? thats all.
as far as your prores articles on the cow go. I guess I have to be uber specific, and say “you can render prores from every single program natively like you can in mac, that way you can keep your prores workflow” Because having to using another program is a hoop. Having to do anything besides render out prores natively from your program is a hoop. Having to set up a script, so you can render prores without having to double render is a hoop.
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[Brooks Tomlinson] “as far as your prores articles on the cow go. I guess I have to be uber specific, and say “you can render prores from every single program natively like you can in mac, that way you can keep your prores workflow” Because having to using another program is a hoop. Having to do anything besides render out prores natively from your program is a hoop. Having to set up a script, so you can render prores without having to double render is a hoop.”
Well, you don’t have to set up a script or another program. With the plug-in mentioned you just render out prores the same way you’d render out to any other codec. There is no difference to the way you’d render to prores on a mac.
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I am using Miraizon with great results, it works great with everything but Da Vinci. I’ve tested it with Adobe CC, Redcine X and Scratch 7. I don’t find it that slow though. It’s like any other codec, no hussle, no trouble at all.
Santiago Martí
http://www.robotrojo.com.ar
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Frank (or anyone) do you know if it lets da Vinci Resolve 10 (Win 7) render ProRes. I have been using Cinec to convert the final output to ProRes from Uncompressed. Having switched to Pr for final timeline out of Resolve I could use the Miraizon to make the Pr output ProRes but can I get to ProRes from Resolve?
To answer the thread question. No – ProRes hasn’t made me stay with Mac. I deliberately went to Win for Resolve and Adobe CS6 as I could get the maximum bang for buck with hardware, particularly graphics grunt. XML and Macdrive means I can take Mac based projects. I still have a MacPro for FCP7 jobs which still dominate.
I have just taken delivery of my second FCPX job and getting the audio in was a mess via Xto7. No real issues with that software apart from a few clips being unenabled but clips were a dogs breakfast- all over the place trackwise. You might tell me it is the young editors fault for not setting roles properly and he might have had the same mess with tracks but so far thats two X jobs with untidy audio. Too small a sample group but not a good sign.
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[Michael Gissing] “Frank (or anyone) do you know if it lets da Vinci Resolve 10 (Win 7) render ProRes. I have been using Cinec to convert the final output to ProRes from Uncompressed. Having switched to Pr for final timeline out of Resolve I could use the Miraizon to make the Pr output ProRes but can I get to ProRes from Resolve?
“Resolve is the only app I have come across where it’s not available (Miraizon is not the only codec that doesn’t show up in the selector panel, other QT codecs also don’t show) because it doesn’t use the regular QT selector. Why, I don’t know but it should be a minor technicality that is up to BM to fix. And they should. No issues with any other app that I know of, including Speedgrade.
Btw, if you want to go with the FFMPEG ie. Cinemartin route as you do right now you may want to look into using FFMPEG directly as it is free and you are not limited to only 2/6 cores but you utilize all cores on your system as new FFMPEG builds with Prores are fully multithreaded so you get something like in the attached screenshot. Much, much faster output. 1 Min encodes in approx. 7-10 seconds on my system.
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[Tim Wilson] “Telestream has been doing it since 2011, btw. So has Rhozet. Sure, your mileage will vary, but those options have been working fine for years, and I’ve seen only positive comments about both of them.”
As of last year when I checked, Harmonic Carbon (aka Carbon Coder, aka Rhozet etc) still was living with a requirement of running windows server in order to access the ProRes encoding. Also, they had a new requirement of using a multi-node farm in order to encode to ProRes. ca-ching, ca-ching!
Telestream requirements were the same for windows episode (you needed to be running windows server).
I’m not aware that either has changed.
Beware of the ffmpeg solutions because they are 8 bit processing going back to 10 bit codec. So if your source is 10 bit or better and you drop down to ffmpeg to make the ProRes, then you are dipping to 8 bit to ultimately go back to 10 with a lot of filler “0s”.
It seems that every NAB we see more officially licensed ProRes encoding/decoding solutions. Apple is employing a good strategy here. They do seem to have stringent requirements on granting rights to the licensee, but it is probably a really good thing for the industry that this is the case.
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No, OSX is.
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