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Is Oliver Peters wrong?
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[Bill Davis] “Isn’t this the crux of the whole thing, Herb?”
Sigh. Dale, you keep calling me Herb. No offense to Herb, who is a fine fellow in his own right, and a far better Herb than I could ever be.
[Bill Davis] “You’re bound and determined to see it in light of X being a “replacement” for Legacy.
“Well, since Apple offered it as one, that only seems reasonable. Don’t you think?
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[Herb Sevush] “Your point being what, that blackmagic’s drivers are at fault? Don’t know what your getting at.”
Not at all, but they way that they had to interface with the current application might have helped or hindered the process.
AJAs VTR Exchange capture/playback utility worked better than FCP7s. It uses the same hardware, different interface. This is what will happen with FCPX, they better utility will be used and send media directly to FCPX.
Blackmagic has one too:
https://www.blackmagic-design.com/press/pressdetails/?releaseID=11836
https://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/ultrastudio3d/software/Matrox: https://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/mac/mxo2_family/vetura_capture/
If you will allow me to read between the lines here a bit, or really connect the dots. Apple has announced capture card support, or rather “broadcast video monitoring” which is capture card support. AJA, Decklink and Matrox have announced capture utilities.
These companies have really close relationships to Apple. Why would they go through this trouble if they didn’t know that they would NEED this software? You can test them now if you want to, and help build it. They can’t announce FCPX support because there’s nothing to announce yet. They won’t announce until it’s available. Sounds familiar, right?
This means that if you have the same hardware that can be used in all of your disparate video apps, the same capture interface will be present across all of them. How is this a bad thing?
[Herb Sevush] “But more importantly I’d just be happy to have any system that actually worked across time code breaks properly and that could handle batch-recaptures from the project I was working on.”
Give them a shot. The Blackmagic one is available now.
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“Isn’t this the crux of the whole thing, Herb? You’re bound and determined to see it in light of X being a “replacement” for Legacy. “
First off, you posted in response to something Harlan wrote, so I’m not sure if this is really aimed at me, but I’ll take a swing.
Apple announced X as the replacement for Legacy – I had nothing to do with it. They couldn’t have been more clear about that, it’s why they EOL’d Legacy. But let’s not spend too much time on that, I agree with you – it’s a dead issue.
“Look at the new possibilities of what will be. And change ones thinking accordingly.”I am and continue to. That’s why I started this thread. It’s part of my process to view any possible successor to my workflow. It’s why I’m looking at PC solutions, Mac solutions and I’ll look at Linux solutions if they show up. I have nothing invested in any other system so I feel free to make the best choice for me. Can you say the same? I hope so.
“But now everyone else has a whole new tool that is excellent for one new way of working.”I appreciate that FCPx is working so well for you and so many others. As for me, I feel fortunate that I am still able to work in the “classic” mode, although I’m not very monolithic. My main issue is that FCPx seems to be excellent for “one new way of working,” while I prefer my editing systems to be much more flexible, capable of working in many different ways.
But when the multi-cam update comes out I will give FCPx a look and then may the best NLE for me win.
By the way, great shot – love the 5d.
Herb Sevush
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“The limitation with FCPX as it currently stands is that the range of worflow options have been reduced dramatically – in many areas, as much in terms of the editing interface as elsewhere, there are now almost no options at all. You have to do it the FCPX way, or not do it at all.”
That’s as silly on it’s surface as being angry that if you want to become a “guitar player” you have almost no options at all – you have to do it the “guitar” way or not at all. Six strings. Not 7 or 11.
I simply don’t hear guitar players arguing that six strings limits ones creativity.
Keyboards stuck at 88 keys. Autos stuck with a gas pedal to the right and a brake pedal to the left.FCP-X can cut video. It might not do it the way you like. But it can do it. It might not have all the buttons in the same place, and it might not offer controls you’ve become accustomed to – or even controls you believe deeply and un-changably that you need in order to do your work efficiently – but it can STILL cut video and do most of what most people need to do when they assemble video projects.
So it’s a viable alternative.
It will slowly sink – OR it will be tuned and enhanced and modified into a wicked fast, world class environment for real world cutting – based on what happens over the next few years.
I’ve learned NOT to bet against the men and women at Apple. They exist in a culture that succeeds by taking measured risks based on understanding long term trends and making smart future projections.
And I think FCP-X – and offshoots of it’s design structure – will eventually come to dominate “day to day” editing far into the future.
Hell, Window 8 looks like it was nearly totally informed by the “iUniverse” that Apple created over the last few decades. The “clicky-picture” teams at Apple have truly kicked ass over all comers largely because Jobs was bright enough to get there first.
Took a while. But then so will FCP-X. Because the thinking behind it is both smart and forward thinking and there will always be a subset of people who will seek out then resonate with smarter thinking.
My 2 cents, anyway.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Herb Sevush] “What are the priorities? Apparently EDL exports, multi-cam and video monitoring weren’t, while Imovie importing and presets for Youtube were. “
The priorities right now? Probably making sure FCPX is stable and to shore up the underlying code before allowing it to be released in a high tension broadcast environment, and release APIs ro developers now that it’s out in the wild. This is smart, in my opinion. Go slow, Apple always has.
[Herb Sevush] “And broadcast editors weren’t supposed to infer anything from those choices?”
I don’t know, were they?
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No, I don’t.
I don’t remember anyone on stage at the unveiling. (and I had a good seat) saying this is an “upgrade to” or even a “replacement” for FCP-7.
IIRC said they were introducing “the future” of video editing from Apple.
Yes, they named it Final Cut Pro X. So it’s easy to understand how that left an assumption in many minds that it was an “upgrade”
But When Randy demo’d it – he didn’t show the audience a single thing that looked or worked like 7.
The name is trivial. The change was not. It’s a fundamental thing that we’re responsible for changing in our brains. And it’s not Apple’s job to coddle us through the change by wasting time and effort on a useless IP search for a different name when they already own a perfectly good one.
That’s how I choose to view it anyway. Tea leaf reading about Apple’s motives is fun, but functionally useless. The game has changed – and so has what the brand “Final Cut Pro” stands for. It used to stand for a big program a lot like AVID and Premier. Now it stands for a completely alternative way to approach the tasks of manipulating digital motion and still content.
Choose it or not. Your call.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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Herb (accurately, I hope)
In tone, content and logic, your post is a winner in my estimation.
I know you were extremely skeptical at first about what FCP-X represented. It appears that today, you’re open to it’s possibilities.
That’s all I and many other of the programs early, and very vocal defenders, were hoping to foster.
At first, the early, loud and often unbending “knee jerk” voices of condemnation were just about the only voices out there.
I know I personally took a LOT of lumps from those who were pissed off and were ready to jump down the throat of anyone who said a single nice word about the program.
Things are finally calming down. That’s good because as we we in this industry should always remember – as the signal rises and the noise diminishes – clarity of communication increases.
Peace.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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Maybe they were supposed to “infer” that we all need to keep our eyes on an information distribution structure where I suspect that in sheer numbers, more videos are posted in a week than all of Hollywood has ever produced in it’s lifetime?
YouTube (and Vimeo, et al) are ascendent. Movie theaters, not so much. In fact, you can find virtually empty cinemas in every major city every day. I bet my nearly 19 year old son and his girlfriend watch five times the movies via download and RedBox then they see in a traditional theatre in a normal year.
Trends matter.
And I think “publish to YouTube” is going to prove to be a WAY smarter top tier feature in an NLE Software package than is “export stems for audio sweetening” – if one can get over the “pro” verses “amateur” ego angst that rides along with much of this.
Personally, I want BOTH features. Increasingly.
FWIW.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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“I bet my nearly 19 year old son and his girlfriend watch five times the movies via download and RedBox then they see in a traditional theatre in a normal year.”
If the movies hadn’t first opened in a theater they never would have heard about them or wanted to download them. There is as yet no substitute for the legitimacy of a theatrical or broadcast (including cable station)presentation. You need to spend some serious money to overcome the noise of a million cat videos on YouTube. My guess is those movies your son watched used EDLs, OMFs and XMLs up the kazoo. In it’s present form FCPx couldn’t cut them.
I wouldn’t count on the death of theatrical presentations just yet, there is still something about watching a movie in the dark alone and yet together with an audience. Avatar doesn’t make a billion dollars as a vimeo feature.
Herb Sevush
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[Bill Davis] “I don’t remember anyone on stage at the unveiling. (and I had a good seat) saying this is an “upgrade to” or even a “replacement” for FCP-7.”
Seriously?! This is beyond specious, Bill.
[Bill Davis] “The name is trivial. The change was not. It’s a fundamental thing that we’re responsible for changing in our brains. And it’s not Apple’s job to coddle us through the change by wasting time and effort on a useless IP search for a different name when they already own a perfectly good one.”
Really?! This is what you are going with?
[Bill Davis] “The game has changed – and so has what the brand “Final Cut Pro” stands for. It used to stand for a big program a lot like AVID and Premier. Now it stands for a completely alternative way to approach the tasks of manipulating digital motion and still content.”
The game has changed? Yeah, more than a decade ago, when cheep NLEs of all varieties began to appear. Magnetic frippery and an iPhoto-like database do not a new revolution make.
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