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Is bootlegging really so bad?
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[Chris Harlan] “By the reasoning of the cartoon, several centuries of copyright law should be voided. I think that’s a ridiculous proposition.”
Chris, don’t get me wrong. I very much value the idea of intellectual property too. But I also value fair use, the public domain, and the human tradition of shared culture — a tradition far far older than the current notion of copyright.
I don’t think Nina Paley’s intention with this video is say copyright shouldn’t exist, rather it’s to question how it should co-exist with the public domain in a digitally-enabled culture. The Bono Copyright Act has nothing to do with protecting society.
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David Lawrence
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Boy Gary –
You walked right past the point and stepped over it as if you had blinders on! Lots of jobs go to people who don’t even have a demo to show – I’m talking about the bottom feeders who can afford to take any price from a client because they have no expense into the software.
Joe Bourke
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[David Lawrence] “The Bono Copyright Act has nothing to do with protecting society.”
And here’s the tricky part…people seem to think that pointing out that copyright being primarily used to enrich mega-corporations is bad argument…say that if you argue that depriving an artist of his penny (or less even) of royalty on the iTunes single that you pirated isn’t that big of a deal.
However, then is the near obliteration of public domain via legislation bought and paid for by these mega-corporations also fair? Certain people would like to drop the “theif” label on those who make an exact duplicate of a piece of software and learn on it until they can afford it, but apparently don’t give a single shit about the absolute destruction of public domain simply to keep money flowing into the coffers of people who are generations removed from the person who actually did the work of creation.
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[David Lawrence] “Chris Harlan] “By the reasoning of the cartoon, several centuries of copyright law should be voided. I think that’s a ridiculous proposition.”
Chris, don’t get me wrong. I very much value the idea of intellectual property too. But I also value fair use, the public domain, and the human tradition of shared culture — a tradition far far older than the current notion of copyright.
I don’t think Nina Paley’s intention with this video is say copyright shouldn’t exist, rather it’s to question how it should co-exist with the public domain in a digitally-enabled culture. The Bono Copyright Act has nothing to do with protecting society.
“Yeah, I can go with all that. And, yes, I think the Bono thing is greed city.
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[Joseph W. Bourke] ”
You walked right past the point and stepped over it as if you had blinders on! Lots of jobs go to people who don’t even have a demo to show – I’m talking about the bottom feeders who can afford to take any price from a client because they have no expense into the software.”I pointed out that I’ve lost basically a bottom feeder job to someone with a ton of equipment that can’t just be copied either (we’re talking bringing a good $14,000 of gear for a $250/week rental rate).
How is that not pointing out that this sort of thing is all over, and not necessarily related to someone who has access to torrenting? What if that pimple-nosed kid you brought up has a legal copy, just had his Dad purchase the Student/Teacher edition?
The end result is exactly the same from your end.
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I worked at a broadcast station several years ago. We had hundreds of computers, and a graphics department with several people on staff – I was the Art Director. We had upwards of 120 computers in the facility, and a chief engineer who wanted the bottom line to look good to the owners.
We owned probably 10 licenses of Microsoft Office, which were installed on 120 computers, the same with Windows, and server software. When I would ask for updates to Photoshop, or After Effects, or the various plugins we used daily, I was told, “Get them any way you can. We’re not paying for them.” We were finally bought by a large publishing corporation, and they were appalled when they found out what had been going on for years. Yes, big corporations pirate software as well.
Joe Bourke
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[Gary Huff] “Not at all…there are hacks for games that require constant online validation (think the new Sim City) that people hacked so they could actually play it because the servers were down.
Business owners won’t be pirating software…it’s not worth it to them. I suspect that, if anything, they’ll simply stay put…like they did with FCP7. If enough of them do that, Adobe’s in for a world of hurt.”
I agree.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a situation arose where a hack had to be used as a short term fix because something wonky happend w/the authentication handshake. I would be surprised if happend in any notable numbers though since you have 30 days + 1 week grace period to have the software connect to Adobe briefly to say ‘hello’. If Adobe required a constant connection that’s a whole other ball of wax.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I wouldn’t be surprised if a situation arose where a hack had to be used as a short term fix because something wonky happend w/the authentication handshake”
What happens is there is something wrong with the license, a torrented copy is found to get the work done, and then it’s forgotten and the torrented version is running years later.
I won’t name names, but you would recognize the corporation.
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Gary, know enough about debate not to get involved with someone who insults and belittles. But good to learn about others flexible situational ethics.
Andy Field
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Yeah, I knew some large companies too that pirated software (or at least used to) as a matter of course.
[Gary Huff] “What happens is there is something wrong with the license, a torrented copy is found to get the work done, and then it’s forgotten and the torrented version is running years later.”
No need to download a torrent copy though. You just perform a hack that makes the software think you are still ‘inside’ the 30 day activation window (probably the same hack that can be used on the 30-day trials now). Or, heck, you download the 30-day trial and use that. W/the monthly billing I’m sure people won’t forget that they have CC and when they update their software the hack will probably get destroyed in the process and things ‘under the hood’ will go back to normal.
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