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Is bootlegging really so bad?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Yes, it is why we have laws. Are you suggesting that Adobe is breaking a law, fixing prices, or gouging? If so, I’d like to hear about it.”
Wasn’t really aiming at Adobe at all. Was responding to your general statement that “theft is bad” with an equally general “not always.”
As to Adobe, I have been a paying customer for years and will continue to be as I am a Cloud subscriber. Although I do think they can be pricey, I certainly am not accusing them of price gouging or monopoly.
I am seeing a lot of righteous indignation here (and this isn’t necessarily directed at you, Jeremy). I was just being honest about my path into becoming a paying customer (a journey in which I am sure I am not alone despite the many loud moral judgements). I guess I should be blamed for violating the first rule of the internet: never confess to anything online.
My question was not about the morality, but the reality.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I guess I’m wondering how many business owners who currently pay for Adobe products will now pirate Adobe products vs how many people who currently pirate Adobe products will continue to pirate Adobe products.”
Depends on if the software “shorts out” on them in the middle of a big project and some savy user knows how to setup and run a local activation server.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It only hurts people like me, the middle of the road dude who is trying to make a living by doing the right thing.”
How exactly?
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[Clint Wardlow] “My question was not about the morality, but the reality.”
Which is where I’m coming from…too many people spout utter nonsense on this issue, because they’ve been told what they’re supposed to think about it, and haven’t even considered what it really means.
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[Clint Wardlow] “My question was not about the morality, but the reality.”
So you should have asked, “how many of you use unlicensed software?” instead of “is bootlegging really so bad”?
[Clint Wardlow] “I am seeing a lot of righteous indignation here “
Like what, specifically?
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[Andy Field] “Hey, I can’t afford a Mercedes – guess I’ll go to the lot and steal it. Would have paid for it if I had enough money.”
Andy, with all due respect, it’s a bit more complicated then your analogy. Digital and physical properties are very different. And copying is an inherent function of all general-purpose computers. Laws and social norms are still in flux. Again, I do not advocate piracy. If you make money with software, buy it from the developer. It’s only fair. Still, this issue is way more complex then you’re making it out to be.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Clint Wardlow] “My question was not about the morality, but the reality.”
So you should have asked, “how many of you use unlicensed software?” instead of “is bootlegging really so bad”?”
Maybe so.
[Jeremy Garchow] “[Clint Wardlow] “I am seeing a lot of righteous indignation here ”
Like what, specifically?”
Look I am not naming names here. Frankly, flame wars can become tedious. But, I think it is pretty obvious.
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[Clint Wardlow] “Look I am not naming names here. Frankly, flame wars can become tedious. But, I think it is pretty obvious.”
I was just wondering if you saw it in this one thread or if you are talking about the general reaction to Creative Cloud on the internet.
Put simply, I’m not sure who or what is righteously indignified, but I am a fool.
Jeremy
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[Andy Field] “Gary, you are quite the diplomat”
If nobody tells you you’re being full of it, how will you ever learn?
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[Gary Huff] “Depends on if the software “shorts out” on them in the middle of a big project and some savy user knows how to setup and run a local activation server.”
So you think it will be common for people to have a show stopping activation problem that Adobe can’t remedy so they’ll hack it so they can continue working and ultimately they’ll just cancel their CC membership while using the hack as a ‘permanent’ solution to run their business on pirated software?
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