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iPad Pro Vs Surface Pro
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[Steve Connor] “I agree, I know a lot of creatives and not one of them uses MS Windows as a touch interface, the unified OS is great in theory but so far a non-starter in practice, that’s not to say it won’t happen of course.”
Just because you don’t know anyone using the Surface Pro or Surface Studio does no mean people are not using them. There are Mac users that like the Surface Studio but have said they cannot afford to by one. If the Surface Studio was $2,500.00 I don’t doubt you would end up knowing someone who uses it. I don’t see people saying the interaction of the Surface Studio is horrible. In fact I see just the opposite. Having said that can you please post a video of anyone saying that the iMac offers a much better way to integrate with graphic design programs than the Surface Studio. You kind of sort of maybe have to do that for you comment that to be valid that Windows 10’s unified OS is worse than OS X for graphic designers. I will be patiently waiting for such a video link. Until then you can check out the links below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c10wWzfGKfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blwZvNmTdJw
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Posting video links isn’t the argument stopping win for crying out loud.
iMacs are used globally for desktop design for the print industry. The surface is cute and functions well, but show me 100 firms that design for print and web, and I’ll show you 100 iMacs.
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Andrew Kimmery wrote: I agree with Bill that this place isn’t like FCP.co, the Final Cut Pro X Editors group on FB, or even the FCP X forum here on the COW and, IMO, it shouldn’t be
Absolutely, and it has been very interesting for me to see the opinions about FCP X make such a large shift here over the years.
I welcome everyone’s opinions as long as they are civilized and as long as they contribute to this forum, which is called FCP X Debates. If you think that “iPad Pro vs Surface” is even remotely related to the essence of this forum, then I will happily start a “Porsche Carrera vs. Ford Taurus” thread here. And yes, I will post videos (-:
– Ronny
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[Ronny Courtens] “”Porsche Carrera vs. Ford Taurus” thread here. And yes, I will post videos (-:
“Would love to see those 🙂
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Tom Sefton] “iMacs are used globally for desktop design for the print industry.”
That is incorrect.
[Tom Sefton] “The surface is cute and functions well, but show me 100 firms that design for print and web, and I’ll show you 100 iMacs.”
And I will show you 100 PCs. Actually there are some print shops that are windows only. I have never seen one that was Mac only. I am sure they are out there but to act as though it is exclusively for Mac is incorrect. No one is saying Macs are not used. What is being said is that the Surface Studio allows for an interaction between the user and PC that had not been there previously. Are they saying that about the iMac Pro? Learn to accept reality.
[Tom Sefton] “Posting video links isn’t the argument stopping win for crying out loud.”
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[Ronny Courtens] ” If you think that “iPad Pro vs Surface” is even remotely related to the essence of this forum, then I will happily start a “Porsche Carrera vs. Ford Taurus” thread here. And yes, I will post videos (-:”
Is posting about Affinity Design or Pixelmator Pro OK? Is posting about the iPhone OK? Is ranting about Adobe’s Creative Cloud OK? From what I can tell just about anything related to computers can be posted in this forum. Perhaps a post about a Ford Taurus that is running iOS or Windows 10 would be appropriate.
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[Ronny Courtens] “Absolutely, and it has been very interesting for me to see the opinions about FCP X make such a large shift here over the years. “
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that as X has become a more feature-rich and battle tested NLE it has become a more accepted NLE. Which is the typical path of any new entrant into a market with already established players.
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Yes affinity and pixelmator are relevant to people using fcpx because they are further alternatives to adobe cc. Surface is not relevant on an fcpx forum.
I’d sooner read car reviews on here than hardware comparisons to home made pc’s.
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[Ronny Courtens] ” If you think that “iPad Pro vs Surface” is even remotely related to the essence of this forum, then I will happily start a “Porsche Carrera vs. Ford Taurus” thread here.”
I think your analogy would work much better as Tesla Model S vs. Tesla Model 3.
Both offer great features which translate into a smooth workflow. The days of simply writing Windows off are long gone and Apple now has to sell the professional market on why there’s a viable reason to remain an Apple customer.
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[greg janza] “The days of simply writing Windows off are long gone and Apple now has to sell the professional market on why there’s a viable reason to remain an Apple customer.”
OK, so here’s why you should stick with a Apple and a Mac:
Final Cut Pro X vs Premiere Pro both on a MacBook Pro 2016 and, with the same 4K timeline, in Premiere Pro on a Dell XPS 2016 (smaller bars are better)
A 2 minute 4K Timeline export on a 2016 MacBook Pro took 3.27 minutes for FCP X and a wapping 58.42 minutes for PPro! (FCP X is ~18x faster !!!) Even running PPro on a Dell XPS with the same specs it took 18.51 minutes which still makes FCP X 5.6x faster!
This is not only for video. I’m a software developer who spent 30+ years on Windows. I do cloud development and need to have several virtual machines (VM) running on my laptop to do my work. I moved to the Mac when I realized that I could only run 1 or 2 VM’s on Windows before it began to bog down and become unresponsive but I could run 4 to 6 VM’s on an equivalent spec Mac before it started to slow down. I personally witnessed this productivity boost and I promptly traded in my Lenovo Laptop for an equivalent speced MacBook Pro and never looked back.
IBM just converted over half of their workstations to Mac sighting 3x savings in total cost of ownership when compared to Windows PC’s saving up to $535 per Mac per four years in comparison to PCs. So major corporations are moving to the Mac not away from it. You can read about it here:
Switch to Macs from PCs reportedly saves IBM $270 per user
IBM says it is 3X more expensive to manage PCs than MacsI also teach software development at the university level and I can’t tell you all of the problems students have following along in class with their Windows laptops vs the students that have a Mac. I don’t mean to be cliche’ but the Macs just work and Windows always needs something installed and a reboot before anything works and even then it doesn’t have the unix tools need to do cloud development work so it never works consistently. It’s huge hassle in class!
Also, I have personally had to reboot my Windows PC because of applications that hang and Windows can’t seem to kill them no matter how many times I open the Task Manager and press the Kill button. On my Mac, I open the Force Quit menu and the hung applications quits almost immediately. In my 4 years of using a Mac I have never had one app that didn’t exit when forced to quit but Windows doesn’t seem to have that kind of control and I was forced to reboot to get the program out of memory many, many times. My experience is that Windows is hugely inferior to macOS in a lot of ways. Like I said, 30+ years using Windows, 4 years using a Mac, I would never go back to Windows if you paid me.
So there are lots of reasons to abandon Windows in favor of a Mac and that’s exactly what the IT industry is doing. Maybe the film industry likes higher cost of ownership and sower performance? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
BTW, You can watch the FCPX vx PPro test here (it starts at about 5:02):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUY9mZoWv0w
The first part of that video attempts to show that the MacBook Pro 2016 is inferior to the Dell XPS but all it really shows is that Premiere runs better on Windows than a Mac because when you use FCP X it blows Premiere Pro out of the water on the same hardware.~jr
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