Insert Edit With Closed Captioning

[Shane Ross]

Sorry, but FCP does not have this option. Insert editing will blow away the captioning on that part of the tape.

Shane

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[Michael Alberts]

Sad but true. We’ve had to spend MANY thousands of dollars on re-captioning of material that only needed a small fix. We typically deliver final HDCAM masters for shows that go to the caption house and then to the network. If they request a fix for one reason or another that means we have to redo the $700 HDCAM caption process. Networks almost always find something they want fixed, yet require the show to be captioned before they’ll accept it.

If FCP were able to do this one simple thing it would have saved us an additional $6000 on the last series of shows we produced. FC”Pro” has been missing this “pro” feature for way too long.

Michael Alberts
Ambidextrous Productions, Inc.
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[Tony Manolikakis]

I use a little work around in NTSC since the CC is part of the active video if you capture uncompressed. I recapture the segment to be taped over. In FCP I stack the new video clip, which does not contain CC, with old video clip underneath it. I then crop the top layer by a few lines. This “exposes” the lines that contain the CC but not the old visuals. Then print to tape. Of course this only works in very specific cases but I thought I would mention it

Tony Manolikakis
Rev13 Films

[Russell Lasson]

I’ve had some luck with this type of fix too in a couple of fixes. It’s worth a try.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Kaleidoscope Pictures
Provo, UT

[Brian Chandler]

Hi All,

Thanks for the great and VERY creative ideas. It’s very unfortunate the FCP doesn’t support this option and wants to be considered professional. In this case I’m going with the Devil I know and will probably make the fix in Avid. However, I will definitely experiment with the “cropping fix” for future reference.

Thanks again.

[Shane Ross]

[Brian Chandler] “It’s very unfortunate the FCP doesn’t support this option and wants to be considered professional.”

Sorry, but this attitude really gets to me. How long was it before AVID supported that? It was considered professional before it had that option, didn’t it? How long has FCP been out? How long has Avid, and how long before they supported that?

I know this is a useful thing…and I would like to see it too, but to knock a product as “unprofessional” because it lacks a small feature is kinda petty IMHO.

Do the fix with an Avid then…it would be far cheaper to rent a bay for a day and do that then to have to re-CC the entire tape.

The right tool for the job…that’s all.

Shane

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[Walter Biscardi]

[Shane Ross] “Sorry, but this attitude really gets to me. How long was it before AVID supported that? It was considered professional before it had that option, didn’t it? How long has FCP been out? How long has Avid, and how long before they supported that?”

Yeah, I was going to say something too, but you pretty much said it all right there. I remember when Avid was considered professional when Media 100 had codecs that ran rings about their output. But Avid was more “professional” than Media 100 because it could do more. Nevermind the picture quality was 1/4 that of Media 100.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.

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[Shane Ross]

I remember my Media 100 buddies looking at AVR75 from Avid and CRINGING. “Eww gross. That’s the best you can do?”

But to be fair, Avid was designed originally as an offline machine only. Media 100 was the first (I believe) designed to be a finishing machine. And those codecs were sharp.

Shane

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[Brian Chandler]

my apologies to the group, I didn’t mean to offend. As an editor I am extremely versed in both platforms and see pluses and minuses in both. As a post supervisor trying to get a show delivered to network on a budget problems like this one and one frame offsets on lay backs and multigroups that lose sync, etc are very expensive to correct.

Anyway I thank you all for your help and wish you the best of luck.

[Stephen Zinn]

Thank you for posting this workaround!

I work at a PBS station where we take in completed programs, do some minor editing (lower thirds) then export back out. The CC has been cropped out on ingest.

Capturing uncompressed preserves the CC, although in our tests when we export back out to a Beta tape, the CC moves down a line, down to line 22.

To fix this we move the video up one line. (motion tab, center, change y to -1).