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Insert a single shot on a master
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Regular video and audio inserts with CineWave (remember?) to BVW70, DVW500A, DVW2000 and MSW2000. Decklink to DSR1500 and BVW75. All over SDI, including BetaSP ’cause one of them was that rare model with SDI, and with another I used DigBeta as a DAC because CineWave analog BoB was crap. Once I even did an insert from Aurora Igniter onto a BetaSX tape. That was weird, because the shot on tape became 1 frame longer and it was a frame that did not existed in the FCP clip.
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[Mike Weber] “But I think you can only enter whole number seconds there, not frames, and since you are getting 15 frames of black, that’s probably not the problem for you. But worth a quick look anyway.”
Yep, that was the first thing I looked at. It’s un-checked. thanks for that though.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Mike Weber] “We often insert edit video from FCP to DSR-80, DSR-1500 or UVW1800 decks via an AJA IoLA box.”
I was never able to do an insert from an Io to a UVW-1800. Probably missed something in the menus on the deck. I never cut anything longer than 15 minutes for that client, so it was faster to just lay off from the insert to the end of the show than to spend any time trying to get it to work right.
Sorry, Walter, I’ve never used the 1400, so I can’t help you there.
Arnie
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Walter, I just remembered that an old friend of mine had this deck for mastering DVCPRO HD work (from FCP). He had told me that it wasn’t frame accurate, and that the master tapes he made would have to go to the local dub house to be frame-accurately re-dubbed for shipping. You could get it super close, but not truly frame accurate. He was doing this via FW, which I had always understood was the reason true frame accurate tapes could not be made. Is there any truth to this?
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[Winston A. Cely] “Is there any truth to this?”
It’s true for the 1200A but not the 1400. I can make the insert edit start at the exact same frame over and over as many times as necessary. Just seems to be something on the release at the end.
The 1200A can actually make an assemble edit dead on once you figure out the deck and system offset. You need to reset everything after you make that first attempt, but it does work. But definitely cannot insert edit at all.
Once we figure it out, I”ll definitely let you guys know.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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Thanks for clearing that up for me Walter. The 1200A is the one he has not the 1400A. Hope you can get it to work!
Winston A. Cely
Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC“If God could do the tricks we can do, He’d be a happy Man.” – Peter O’Toole – “The Stuntman”
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I do in Insert edit to a master at lease once a week. Works fine. HOWEVER!!! I have had the exact problem you are describing. The problem occurred when we were inserting a 720HD 23.98 show to Digibeta at 29.97. Every time we did a punch in it would roll black at the end of the insert. However, when doing the same insert on the HDCAM we had no problem. But then at some point the problem developed on the HDCAM as well. Then the problem seemed to go away. We were never able to pin down the exact set of circumstances as to why this was happening. Just glad it no longer does this and we can insert again.
Michael Alberts
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Using the Decklink HD Pro card I have been doing inserts using RS422 and SDI into digi beta (DVW2000) & HDCam (1800, 2000 & 500). There have been times in the past when I had frame accuracy problems which were Decklink driver issues.
I have never had cause to use Panasonic machines but I suspect it is a combination of machine type & output card driver. Inserting audio is always a problem due to the way FCP (& AVID) do a play from first frame when the deck drops in. There is no audio playback prior to the edit for the deck to crossfade with so there is usually a tiny dip at the insert in.
I wish FCP would roll picture & sound a few frames before the edit. Audio systems sync and lock & roll with the deck so you can punch in & out on the fly. That is really useful and makes seamless audio inserts work brilliantly.
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yes to dbeta, and HDCam. If I go to BSP I usually master to dbeta comp reel and dub cause they usually come back for more, or recycle some portion. I used to insert into a 1400 at the previous place I worked over 422 with a Kona2, but we only have the 1200 here at present.
if I’m doing a repair due to a render error I’ve had no problem with a video only insert if I’m in the same format as I’m mastering to. I have had odd field dominance issues if I’m inserting into a down or upconvert master. It seems the preview switcher aspect of the Kona looks at input instead of ref, or at least that’s my take on it. sometimes I need to insert from cut to another cut, but I’ve never had black frames inserted unless I’ve left the trailer checkbox checked, or I’ve not selected the appropriate output in the kona control panel in which case it’s all black. -
Walter,
Yes, we’ve been successful “punching in” to D beta or HDCAM SR masters with no black at the end . We do it all the time.
Kona 3 for either HD or SD.
Mark
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