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Tony West
July 8, 2017 at 2:46 pm[Oliver Peters] “So show production is happening all over and not just NYC or LA.”
Yeah, I pointed that out.
[Oliver Peters] “A good article, however, not unbiased. He owns the service designed to place freelancers.”
Good point, but I saw the trend before I saw his article. It’s not just him.
[Oliver Peters] “A key takeaway for me is that large organizations are hiring freelancers – not freelancers generating their own unique product. “
The take away for me is that things are being scaled down to independent individuals with multi talents.
I see more producers generating their own products here by pitching TV shows that they will cut in their house but hire freelance folks to shoot.
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Oliver Peters
July 8, 2017 at 4:01 pm[Tony West] “The take away for me is that things are being scaled down to independent individuals with multi talents.”
That’s nothing new. It’s been going on for decades. The industry ebbs and flows. Back in the film days (50s, 60s, 70s), small production companies were made up of film shooters who usually cut their own stuff. Or they went to a freelance film editor. I’m talking about spots and corporate. With big iron video, facilities got big in the 70s, 80s, 90s. If anything we are back to something closer to the old film days.
– Oliver
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Mark Raudonis
July 8, 2017 at 5:42 pmMy observation of the Reality TV genre here in Los Angeles is that it’s 99% AVID.
Why? It’s all about the shared storage and large team approach to editing. When you add up all of the
people needing access to the media, timelines, cuts, etc. you can easily have 50 people all playing in
the same pool. So, unless the other NLE’s can offer an “as good as” or better large workgroup experience, this
fact alone keeps them from serious consideration in the Reality TV world.Having said that, I’m very impressed with BM’s Resolve 14 beta progress to date. They are addressing features and adding capabilities at a rate that makes your head spin.
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Bill Davis
July 9, 2017 at 1:57 amWalter,
I said “bunker mode” referring to how the businesses I have the most contact with are largely NOT in “expansion mode” – they at best are in “operational efficiency ” mode.
They are willing to spend a bit. But not for grand new initiatives.
This is very different than business climates I’ve experienced in the past where money was a LOT looser and more companies were after market share and expansion through robust investment.
Retail is flat. Business to business seems flat. Only a small number of industries are expanding and those that are are seem to be hiring one body and expecting them to do the work of six.
Bunker mode also refers to people in general staying behind their office walls and not scouting as much. Maybe that’s a natural result of the on-line shift, but industry related local social groups are all pretty fallow really. The local computer groups, the Chambers of Commerce, the artists, designers and writers don’t gather like they used to. We Cyber comnnect (as we are doing right here, right now) but that used to be in personmonthly in most larger cities – and it’s kinda dead now.
Oh well.
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Bill Davis
July 9, 2017 at 2:13 amNever could attach a range to a clip – and call it up in a tenth of a second. Never could simply grab one clip on my primary move it to a new location and then instantly hit PLAY and expect a viewable result. I couldn’t automate 10 export mixes into a single launch Roles driven export. Couldn’t see an index of everything on my storyline and search and sort in it for clip type classes. Couldn’t batch select 100 titles because of that and shorten JUST them by 5 frames each – automatically. I could go on.
Feel free to describe some similar aspects of Premiere Pro or AVID that have driven similar Changes into those workflows and and that aren’t something that the prior versions of those apps could do at all.
I’m sure there has been innovation in those tools. So here’s their adherents chance to point out their cool new features!
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Tony West
July 9, 2017 at 12:26 pm[Oliver Peters] “That’s nothing new. It’s been going on for decades. “
What I’m talking about is very much new. A combination of price and technology has taken things to whole new level at a faster pace.
If a person has been in the biz for 20 years and never owned an NLE and now they do because it’s so cheap that’s a change. If it wasn’t they would have owned one 20 years ago.
Decades ago a producer hired an editor. Now they are the editor.
The first edit suite I worked in cost a million dollars.
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Oliver Peters
July 9, 2017 at 12:40 pm[Bill Davis] “Never could attach a range to a clip – and call it up in a tenth of a second. Never could simply grab one clip on my primary move it to a new location and then instantly hit PLAY and expect a viewable result. I couldn’t automate 10 export mixes into a single launch Roles driven export. Couldn’t see an index of everything on my storyline and search and sort in it for clip type classes. Couldn’t batch select 100 titles because of that and shorten JUST them by 5 frames each – automatically. I could go on. “
Gotcha. Some of these are possible at least in Premiere Pro. Please describe the role-based batch exports. I don’t fully understand that. I certainly can’t do a standard batch export in X like I can in Premiere, so I’m curious what you mean. And was that there in the .0 version?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Simon Ubsdell
July 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm[Bill Davis] “So here’s their adherents chance to point out their cool new features!
“OK, here’s one from Premiere that I think is pretty cool.
Whereas in FCP X if a clip has been used it is simply marked with a Used flag that doesn’t count how many times or where it has been used, in Premiere you can see not only how many times a clip has been used, but you also have a list of TCs for where each occurrence takes place (across all sequences in the project) that allows you to jump directly to each location.
Now there’s metadata for you.
It’s easy to miss the innovative features in Premiere if you assume they aren’t there.
Edit: I’m not an “adherent” – I just like interesting stuff wherever I come across it.
If you look at the much broader picture, you’d have to say that Adobe was one of the companies doing the most to drive cutting edge innovation in the AV space. Not all of it immediately finds its way into the commercial products but there is no denying that extreme technological innovation is happening at Adobe all the time. Much of it is quite literally jaw-dropping, in the good sense.
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Oliver Peters
July 9, 2017 at 3:07 pm[Tony West] “What I’m talking about is very much new. A combination of price and technology has taken things to whole new level at a faster pace.”
I see that same trend. Just not in quantity.
[Tony West] “Decades ago a producer hired an editor. Now they are the editor.”
Not if they are a good producer ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Jeremy Garchow
July 9, 2017 at 4:03 pm[Simon Ubsdell] “Whereas in FCP X if a clip has been used it is simply marked with a Used flag that doesn’t count how many times or where it has been used, in Premiere you can see not only how many times a clip has been used, but you also have a list of TCs for where each occurrence takes place (across all sequences in the project) that allows you to jump directly to each location.”
I will admit, this is a fantastic feature in Pr. Something I would use a lot in FCPX to make sure each spot has the latest renders, updated VO, or whatever. This would be much easier than going through each Project one by one.
And true, there’s some great technology at Adobe, but that UI is built for a time when there was more time to do things like click a mouse six times to add a clip to the timeline.
I say that colloquially and with exaggeration, but there is some truth in there.
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