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  • Immediate help ! 16×9 AE

    Posted by Anders Lilkaer on April 17, 2007 at 3:41 pm

    Hi there,

    I really need immediate help with this, because it is a TV commercial, and is going to be on tape tomorrow.

    For no more than 10 days ago, the TV stations in Denmark changed the standard format for tv commercials, only 16×9 will be accepted. Therefore the commercial series I’m doing atm. has to be transposed to the 16×9 format. Fortuneately We’ve been shooting in HDV(by definition 16×9), and just scaled down to fit a 720×576 DV composition – furthermore, the raw footage is shoot on a bluescreen, so can easily be cropped and scaled to a 720×576 4×3 composition.

    My question is, how I am i going to convert this project into a full blown 16×9 project? Should i make a new composistion in 16×9 DV pal, and copy all layers and footage to this composition, or ?

    Am I going to be working with the “toggle aspect ratio” button set to on, or what is the proper way to do this ?

    I really hope that someone can answers these questions, cause your’re my last hope.

    Best regards,

    Francis

    Anders Lilkaer replied 19 years ago 2 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Filip Vandueren

    April 17, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    If you’ve allready been working on the comp, it can be a pain to rescale it.
    here’s my trick:

    – create a comp-siezd solid (you can turn it off or opacity 0%)
    – parent everything that doesn’t already have a parent to this Solid,
    – change your comp setting: either choose 720*576 (widescreen anamorph) or 1024*576 (widescreen square). That’s up to your taste, but you’ll have to deliver in 720 anamorph anyway.
    – reposition/ and or scale the solid (probably using “fit to height” or “fit to width”)
    – delete the solid.

    If you have three-d layers…. that’s a bit more of a problem i’m afraid.

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    Thanks for the reply.

    Is it true, that i cannot monitor in widescreen mode… when i create a new 16×9 composition, it’s 4×3 format… Do I have to scale all the footage and layers to the point where I have borders in the top and bottom… or would I use the toggle pixel aspect ratio button and get the footage to fit in the widescreen view ?I hope this makes sense…

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    It’s 1920×1080… and I it is pretty downscaled right now in the 4×3 project… And it doens’t look awsome, but it’s okay… But in fact, I don’t have to make it smaller than it is right now… it is actually only the animated picture layers ind the background that needs to be wider… It is just a person shot on a bluescreen… And we just need to convert it to 16×9…

    Maybe it’s totally easy, cause I feel like the answer is right in front of me, but I need someone to tell me what to do… maybe om sort of panicing… hehe

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    Thank you so much for the fast reply!

    Yes, I don’t need HD, I just have HDV Footage in DV Widescreen project.

    But when I set the composition settings to “PAL D1/DV Widescreen 720×576” and turn on the pixel aspect ration button, my footage get horizonticaly stretched… My HDV footage is said to be interpreted as DV 16×9 footage, but that’s possibly wrong?

  • Filip Vandueren

    April 17, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    Since the HDV’s dimensions are 1920*1080, you should interpret as square pixels,
    the movie is not anamorph as a 720*576 DV would be

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    Sorry for posting twice…

    How should I interpret my HDV footage, and should I work with or without the toggle aspect ratio butto?

  • Filip Vandueren

    April 17, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    interpret the HDV as square pixels,

    use “toggle pixel aspect” if your comp is NOT set up as square (so as 720*576 widescreen).

    If you’re working in a 1024*576 comp (DV widescreen Square pixels), it will look better (no jaggies), and the toggle will have no effect.

    But since you’re outputting to tape tomorrow, don’t forget that you’ll need to supply a ‘stretched’ 720*576 anyway.
    Depending on what facility/software/codec you’re outputting to, 1024*576 could be an option, but you’ll leave the stretching up to someone else: not advisable.

    So work in 720*576 widescreen, and use the toggle. Live with the jaggies 😎

    I’m up all night too, and in your timezone, so keep in touch.

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    [Filip Vandueren] “So work in 720*576 widescreen, and use the toggle. Live with the jaggies 8-)”

    First of all, thank you so much for your reply, really helpful.

    It seem like, if I toogle the aspect ratio button, and get it to fit there, when I export, i get a totally squeased picture, like when the toggle view is off.

  • Filip Vandueren

    April 17, 2007 at 10:30 pm

    [Francis the dude] “It seem like, if I toogle the aspect ratio button, and get it to fit there, when I export, i get a totally squeased picture, like when the toggle view is off. “

    That’s correct, this is what you want.
    That’s what they call anamorphic video, which occurs with non-square pixels.
    If you play this movie on a 16:9 TV, it looks okay: the TV stretches it back out.

    After effects (and photoshop too) has that toggle for our convenience, to temporarily stretch the VIEW of your comp. the acual data in the comp remains squeezed, as you can see in the rendered file.

    I assure you: this is what the TV-stations wants: they will add the “black borders” for 4:3 compatibility. DO NOT do that yourself.

  • Anders Lilkaer

    April 17, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Filip, you’re a genious! And I can’t believe how retarded i’ve been!!! hehe

    But now I’m happy, and will do the hard work ! – But em, stay in the timezone, right? :=)

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