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iMac Pro 12/14
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[Shane Ross] “The monitor isn’t 5K…as was pointed out. And I already have monitors, and if I want new ones, I can get new ones. And if I want to swap them out, I can.”
What P3 5K monitors do you have?
You have stated that the monitor is not 5k. According to the specs on the machine, the display resolution is 5120×2880, how is that not 5K?
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[Carmi Weinzweig] “The CPU upgrade in his machine costs $800 and the GPU upgrade is $600. Those are the two that would have the most impact on performance. For an extra $800 one could also upgrade the RAM to 64GB. Moving to 128GB of RAM is quite pricey ($2,400 over the base).
“Not Bob’s point though. The price of $4999 kept getting batted around, but the machines being advertised were significantly more expensive than that. We’ll have to wait to see how the $5000 base version and the $7200 ‘sweet spot’ version (10 core, 64gig RAM, upgraded GPU) compare to the $10,000 version that all the early reviews seem to be based on.
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[Carmi Weinzweig] “I have built many machines over the years, and I have never upgraded the CPU after the machine was built (as any meaningful CPU upgrade also requires a new motherboard).”
I have – going from 2.2Ghz processors to 3.0Ghz can breathe new life into an older machine, and it can be less expensive than upgrading to newer architectures, allowing you to leapfrog technology generations. I fully understand that approach may not be for everyone though.
[Carmi Weinzweig] “You also do not consider that those other machines will be much louder than the iMac Pro.”
I have a water cooled, dual 10 core workstation with acoustic treatment in the case – even after an hour or so under full CPU load, I can’t hear it. The fans in my laptops are louder during encoding tasks… just sayin’. ☺
Shawn
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[Shawn Miller] “I have a water cooled, dual 10 core workstation with acoustic treatment in the case – even after an hour or so under full CPU load, I can’t hear it. The fans in my laptops are louder during encoding tasks… just sayin’. ☺”
Nice. ☺
How much did it cost? How many drives do you have in the case? I built a FreeBSD/FreeNAS box for a friend as a Plex server with many giant, slow-speed fans and it is quite quiet (sits in the the living room), but does not have any GPUs.
My experience is that I build machines because I want a specific set of components, but they rarely come out less expensive than a similar machine from HP or Dell. I do not upgrade CPUs, because the risk of frying the machine doing so is not worth the speed increase to me. 🙂
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Well contrary to my panic (I always panic and try to create hysteria) – B&H is showing the iMac Pro with
the Vega 64 GPU, 64 gig of RAM, and the 1TB SSD for $6399. That’s actually a pretty good price if you consider you are getting the 10G card and the monitor. (And yes, I know that when things become obsolete 3 years from now, you can’t open it up and change parts out).Bob Zelin
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[Bob Zelin] “That’s actually a pretty good price if you consider you are getting the 10G card and the monitor. (And yes, I know that when things become obsolete 3 years from now, you can’t open it up and change parts out).
“That’s less than $200 per month to own something you can charge out at considerably more than that AND it’ll still be worth something after three years when you buy the 2021 iMac Pro with 16K screen!
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Carmi Weinzweig] “How much did it cost?”
About $7k US from there guys:
3 year on-site support included
[Carmi Weinzweig] ” How many drives do you have in the case?”
Four drives: 1 250GB SSD system drive, 1 250GB SSD cache drive, 2 2TB 7200 RPM drive in a RAID 0 config for media.
[Carmi Weinzweig] ”
My experience is that I build machines because I want a specific set of components, but they rarely come out less expensive than a similar machine from HP or Dell.”That makes sense – PC integrators buy parts wholesale but add the cost of production, support, shipping, marketing etc. Though, you can build kit computers from companies like Supermicro at a slightly lower expense than shopping parts retail or buying from HP, Dell etc.
[Carmi Weinzweig] “. I do not upgrade CPUs, because the risk of frying the machine doing so is not worth the speed increase to me. :-)”
I haven’t fried a motherboard or damaged a computer from upgrading yet… but can understand why others might not want the stress. ☺
Shawn
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[Tom Sefton] “I’m still really intrigued to know what money you need to spend elsewhere to get real-time playback on full quality 5K Red raw footage with a single colour correction layer. And playback on a 5K monitor.”
Just came across this video, and I thought of your question. Tom Antos on a $3k custom build. He talks about editing 6k Dragon footage at about 7:55.
https://youtu.be/YG82HfBAySA?t=487
Shawn
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[Carmi Weinzweig] “I also cannot find anyone who makes a 4TB NVMe M.2 drive (or for that matter a 4TB EVO Pro version in any form factor).”
How about this from a B&H page:” The ASUS HYPER M.2 x16 PCIe Expansion Card lets you add four user-supplied NVMe M.2 drives to your desktop computer. .. The PCIe 3.0 x16 slot transfers data at rates of up to 128 Gb/s, which is 22x times faster than SATA 3.0″. We are looking at an 8 TB M.2 drive array.
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[Tom Sefton] “I’m still really intrigued to know what money you need to spend elsewhere to get real-time playback on full quality 5K Red raw footage with a single colour correction layer. And playback on a 5K monitor.”
The system below has a 10 Core CPU, 32 GB of RAM and GTX 1080 Ti. Keep in mind the system below can have more RAM added as well as a Volta GPU. I don’t doubt this system will keep up with an $8,000.00 iMac Pro minus the the 5K monitor.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227762
Why make 5K the standard? Why not 8K? Why not have a 21:9 ultra-wide option? I don’t doubt an $8500.00 PC could play back 8K at full resolution. Perhaps the $8500.00 iMac Pro can as well.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227762
I am not saying the iMac Pro isn’t any good or that it will not work well with FCPX. I am saying there are some powerful PC that can easily hold there own against the iMac Pro. Having said that why didn’t the iMacs offer 8 & 10 core CPUs 5 years ago? If anyone cliams it is because the Mac Pro offered 8 & 10 core CPUs you would have to ask yourself is there really a Mac Pro coming in 2018? If an up-gradable Mac Pro is coming in 2018 is that the justification to make the iMac Pro a closed system? Why can’t all the Apple computers be up-gradable?
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