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I wish FCPX adopted these Premiere Pro features
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[Andrew Kimery] “I can’t speak for David but I think you’ve been compared to the ones receiving the spiked drinks not the ones doling them out”
I don’t think that matters. I think that we should all agree that the use of “nazis” “slavery” and “sexual predators” as metaphors make the author sound like a dick, no matter how brilliant the analogy and no matter how tempting the target. Best not to go there, even if it means using yet another car analogy. And I say that as someone who has been as “dickish” as any.
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[Mathieu Ghekiere] “I think it will come, but I’m also sure it takes a lot of time to get right. I want a faster development pace too, but I think they ARE working on getting Roles better, and I just think it’s one very difficult problem to get the good solution for. “
I don’t meant to be antagonistic, and I would bet that Apple will further develop roles, too.
But looking at products like Motion, which is now 11 years old and still running, or Aperture which was 10 when EOLed, Apple seems to have a tendency to produce something awesome, revolutionary and promising in version 1, develop it to a certain point in a flurry of activity over a few years… and then not take it significantly further.
Apple has earned a bit of reputation here, which is why the point of current slow development carries the weight it does outside of “the faithful.” This line of conversation doesn’t pause until Apple makes like a real artist and ships, and it doesn’t end until they do it consistently for a while.
[Mathieu Ghekiere] “In my opinion, the whole concept of Roles really beats tracks. It really does, in my opinion.”
I mostly agree, except I’d say that roles and tracks are not mutually exclusive. We’ve discussed track groups, overlapping clips, zones, etc. as options to get the best of both worlds.
See historical threads like these:
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/41526
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/18634Walter Soyka
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[Walter Soyka] “I mostly agree, except I’d say that roles and tracks are not mutually exclusive. We’ve discussed track groups, overlapping clips, zones, etc. as options to get the best of both worlds.”
I agree! Once you start with a Role-based Mixer, I think you would end up in a ‘track-like’ user interface (maybe Apple surprises us with something completely new?), but you don’t have any of the disadvantages of tracks (patching, clip collissions, …)
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[Steve Connor] “We are VERY lucky to have the choice of good NLE’s out there at the moment.”
Yes, and a point that is often overlooked. We work in a time of editorial overabundance and I need to remember that the next time some snark comes to mind. But don’t count on that.
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Zebra Productions
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[Walter Soyka] ” I find it’s often the noise that’s the signal here.”
Lovely line.
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Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “I don’t think that matters. I think that we should all agree that the use of “nazis” “slavery” and “sexual predators” as metaphors make the author sound like a dick, no matter how brilliant the analogy and no matter how tempting the target. Best not to go there, even if it means using yet another car analogy. And I say that as someone who has been as “dickish” as any.
“Sounds reasonable, Herb.
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[Herb Sevush] “I think that we should all agree that the use of “nazis” “slavery” and “sexual predators” as metaphors make the author sound like a dick….”
We once had “nazi” in our filtered words list for that very reason. It’s basically the conversational nuclear option. You really can’t go anywhere from there except “Am not!” so, by definition, it’s noise, rather than signal. Thanks for the reminder.
[Herb Sevush] “And I say that as someone who has been as “dickish” as any.”
Likewise. 🙂 But while there’s a fine line between “dickish” and DICK, there is a line nonetheless.
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[Walter Soyka] “He compares about two years of Apple feature development with about two years of Adobe feature development, and notes that Adobe ships a lot more in the same amount of time.”
There’s “statement” and there’s “overstatement,” and I think you’ve separated the two quite nicely. 🙂
[Walter Soyka] “Has Apple met your expectations with the pace and focus of development? If Apple keeps that same pace over the next two years, will you still be happy?”
Something else you’ve pointed out before, Walter, that we’ve just entered into Year 5 of Apple’s self-described 10 year plan. I think it’s reasonable to say, well, THIS is the pace.
And I think UNreasonable to say that they’ll ever get faster. There’s certainly zero historical basis for saying that. It has quite simply never happened. Not with the OS, not with any of the many apps they’ve killed, and not with any of the ones they’ve created or radically transformed.
That is, Apple has proven that they keep delivering features after launch, but I also think that they’ve proven that those features come slowly…if at all…because they’ve also proven that there are features that they will, in fact, never deliver.
It’s like people have forgotten about the world of FCP pre-X. For years, the run-up to NAB was “here’s what I hope they introduce,” and the aftermath was very nearly always “wow, what a disappointment.” Seriously. It was the one absolutely reliable dynamic for all but one or two of the 10 NABs between its introduction and X’s. “What? No new version?” alternating with “What? That’s all there is? What the hell have you been working on if not the top one or two features we’ve been asking for for all these years?”
Not just in the COW, but across the industry. You can look it up.
I’d have to look THIS up, but the only REALLY happy post-NAB I can remember is after the introduction of multicam in 2005.
And it was 2005!!! Saying that FCP was the last NLE to introduce multicam is beyond an understatement. Why? Because Apple is SLOW. Has always been SLOW.
To MY earlier point about Apple fans being forgiving, I think that satisfaction with Apple’s pace is ultimately irrelevant.
How many customers did Apple lose because they were so ridiculously late with multicam? The same number they’ve lost over the years because of lack of transparency. Zero. And in the meantime, Apple, from what I hear, may (MAY) have picked up a customer or two because of some other features.
Just as Apple has indelibly and indubitably established their slow pace, Apple customers have indelibly and indubitably proven that, beyond the occasional, easily-ignored forum or blog post, Apple has no reason whatsoever to change anything about their pace, or their plans to deliver or not deliver ANYTHING.
So if there’s no downside for staying well off the pace of industry-wide NLE innovation, then there’s probably no upside for them developing more in keeping with the standard.
Which is why they’re going to stay slow.
It’s still worth trying to parse the difference between “slow” and “never.” To get specific about Walter’s observation that I quoted to begin this post all those years ago — it’s been over four years. OVER FOUR YEARS. At what point does it become reasonable for someone to say, “FCPX will never have Send to Motion.”
Maybe never. Apple has established a pace so slow that saying “never” might NEVER be reasonable. But it certainly seems reasonable to me for someone to say, “Four years? What the hell have you been working on if not one of the top couple of requests for all these years?”
And again, quite UNreasonable to think that Apple is going to change.
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Why was the premis of “Fight Club” so compelling? Because secretly we all have a guilty taste for conflict that flirts with the boundaries of accepted behavior.
And some of us just like to argue. Period. I’ve met many of the people here IRL and they all know that in person I’m pretty non-confrontational and mild mannered.
But I’m also opinionated and LOVE a good debate. Heck I even relish a BAD debate if there are even a few interesting points scattered around.
Reminds me of high stress sets I’ve been on where there’s tons of conflict and yelling. And oddly, out of that has come some really outstanding work. Yes, I’ve also been on smiley sets where great work also gets generated so it’s not causal.
But I do suspect that conflict is a big part of why this forum is so popular. And I’m happy to play.
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