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I wish FCPX adopted these Premiere Pro features
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[Tim Wilson] “Here’s an interesting game to play: whose applications are still vibrant 20+ years later?”
You can’t really include Premiere Pro in here. Premiere Pro was, exactly like FCPX, a totally new program with zero backward compatibility with Premiere. Like X, the only thing carried forward by Adobe was the name.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “You can’t really include Premiere Pro in here. Premiere Pro was, exactly like FCPX, a totally new program with zero backward compatibility with Premiere. Like X, the only thing carried forward by Adobe was the name.
“I respectfully disagree with you Herb – not that everything you said about Premiere isn’t 100% accurate, just that Premiere, while rebuilt, does not require relearning an entirely new editing paradigm and entirely new lingo. It’s essentially very familiar to anyone who’s used earlier versions of Premiere, FCP Legacy, etc.
So, while you are technically correct, I think Premiere is still close enough to its earlier iterations that it should be considered as still here after all these years. (***FYI, Avid was also rebuilt from scratch at one point, but it’s also similar enough to call it old at this point)
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los AngelesDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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It’s certainly interesting that unlike those “legacy” software programs – conceived and created decades ago and still sticking to their design guns 20 years later – the rest of the entire PLANET has changed so much.
Madonna – still quite the rage on MTV?
McCartney – with a new LP coming out?
Adobe – with those bold new ideas that go far beyond linear tracks pulled from the mag tape of the 1960s?
Entropy.
Things don’t change until they do.
And when they do, they do.
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[Bill Davis] “It’s certainly interesting that unlike those “legacy” software programs – conceived and created decades ago and still sticking to their design guns 20 years later – the rest of the entire PLANET has changed so much.”
The wheel – still rolling.
The alphabet – still spelling
the baseball bat – still good for breaking heads
So yes, it’s possible to be over 20 years old and be perfectly productive.
Most new products fail, on merit.
So it’s possible to be an agent for change and be worthless.
Everything changes, everything remains the same.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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This is probably gonna tap all my allotted sarcasm for today but here we go… 😉
[Bill Davis] “the rest of the entire PLANET has changed so much.”
Says the guy who, like the vast majority of us, is using a keyboard layout from 1873 (designed to actually make us type slower!), a computing device with roots in decades old technology, and a communication protocol developed in the 60’s to tell us how everything has changed so much. If you also use modes of transportation that involve wheels, internal combustion engines, electricity, gears, metal alloys and/or vulcanized rubber then I think my head just might explode.
All of this talk of old crap is getting me down so I’m going to get back to my tutorials for X. First, let me fire up my Mac running OS X (which is based on Unix which is older than any of the software mentioned so far in this thread). Next, let me click on X’s clapboard icon to launch it, hit up the antique looking key to add some keywords and select the razor blade to make some cuts. Woah, good thing there are film sprocket holes superimposed over my clip so I know when I’m at the head/tail! This edit needs a bit of something extra… let me open up the built in Generators by clicking on the film leader icon and see whats in there. Ya know, it’s so wonderful using software that doesn’t needlessly adhere to concepts from the early 1900’s…
-Andrew
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[Andrew Kimery] ” I was just providing a first hand account of co-workers getting blind sided by change, and why they most likely allowed it to happen.”
Yes, I understand that, I’m saying that wouldn’t happen to me with X
I don’t expect to be on the same software 10 years from now. I just don’t think like that.
I expect change. I don’t feel “blind sided” when they change.
[Andrew Kimery] ” If we tried to pick which programs would still be around in 2035 would it be anymore than just guessing?”
Exactly.
BTW Andrew I meant that “disservice” part as kind of tongue in cheek. I should have put a happy face at the end so it didn’t read so harsh. Sorry brother.
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[James Ewart] “Once he’s dismantled the disproportionately large military machine and abandoned the nuclear deterrent, made Starbucks and Amazon pay their taxes they’ll be plenty to go round.”
yes. And at that point dougal will appear, fresh from the magic roundabout, and Albion well be made anew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWKS3uUBfv4
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Tim Wilson] “I know that there are a lot of “sky is falling”-sayers re: Avid, but I ain’t buyin’ it. I concede that I’m not quite ready to bet a real pony…but I’m not quite NOT ready to bet a real pony either. They’ve weathered a lot, and as many, many others have observed, the arrival of OS X STRENGTHENED Avid’s position in its core markets (while admittedly doing not one damn thing to extend its core markets).”
Ironically there are a number of big shops that used to be FCP “classic” strongholds, who are shifting to Media Composer/Isis set-ups.
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[Tim Wilson] “The name that towers above the rest is Adobe. Plain and simple. Nobody in this industry is close. So I’ll bet you a real pony that ALL of the applications listed above are still around in 20 years.”
Interesting… the question now is, if you win, where do we find an old folks home that will let residents have ponies? 😉
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “And at that point dougal will appear, fresh from the magic roundabout, and Albion well be made anew.”
People like what Corbyn has to say. Just like they like editing with FCPX. And what’s AMAAAZING is no matter how much you tell me that FCPX is a bag of old rusty nails I still find it an excellent tool. And no matter how much you or Tony Blair tell Labour supporters that Corbyn is the anti Christ, they like what he has to say and have voted for him in their droves Funny old world innit?
Plus I confess I have enjoyed every moment of the Labour party Old Guard closing ranks in their efforts to hold on to their jobs and the general status quo of the Labour Party. Such is the extent of Tony Blair’s hubris syndrome that he has come out not once, but twice or three times to tell everyone that if they vote for Corbyn, Labour will be finished. And every time Blair opens his mouth he makes it worse. It’s almost like he’s working undercover for Corbyn – Blair won him the election.
It’s been bloody hilarious so far. I’m enjoying every minute of it.
Less so the FCPX story. I so wish they had issued updates that would have satisfied you that they were in it for the long term and made you eat a big slice of humble pie. But they haven’t. I wouldn’t go far as to say it worries me but it’s certainly food for thought.
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