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I think the time of the large tower are coming to an end – and the bloated software suits with it :-)
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[Bret Williams] “But other than having a mixer, (the only way to do live audio in legacy), X is immensely a more powerful device.”
Bret,
Yes, this was the nature of the other thread too – if you ignore or denigrate features outside of your preference, and focus on strengths and features within your preference, I have no doubt you can come to the conclusion you have.
[Bret Williams] “For me, being able to actually SEE the waveform adjust up and down while I make changes to the tracks live and on the fly by adjusting them directly in the timeline is more powerful”
I’m starting to think there is a fundamental divide between those who mix visually and those who mix aurally.
Franz.
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[Andrew Kimery] “ThB right now is certainly just a taste of what future versions will offer (though going full optical will mean no bus powered devices so I think copper will always be there if for no other reason than that)”
Interesting in light of today’s latest Apple Patent mess.
Got to make you wonder if their current patent saber rattling about electrical field re-charging via proximity might have a longer term strategic focus.
Imagine if you could use all-optical Thunderbolt in a world where wireless power distribution becomes practical.
Speculative, but sure is interesting to imagine.
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[Rich Rubasch] “I see the progression away from a Tower ending up with a pile of tethered devices that need to be near the Mac with compatibility issues and no one using the same hardware. Very hard to troubleshoot some of these things once the number of connections and devices goes up.”
Yeah, well…
I suppose there’s NO CHANCE that some outfit like Kensington, Anthro, et al would step up and make dedicated housings integrating all the pieces into a seamless unit with a single TB or equivelent cable to your monitor and mouse.
Nobody would imagine a market opportunity there, right?
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[Bill Davis] “That’s correct reasoning right now. However, if the Thunderbolt roadmap develops through planned versions 2 and 3 (optical/copper hybrid and then full optical) the entire I/O pipeline will change.”
Sure, Thunderbolt today is good enough for most video I/O. Next-gen Thunderbolt will be even better. But I’m not talking about I/O. I’m talking about resources that expansion busses don’t address: CPU and RAM.
Geekery:
Current Intel architecture puts the memory controllers directly on the CPUs (eliminating slower memory controllers), and uses QPI (QuickPath Interconnect) as the CPU interconnect (replacing the old front-side bus or FSB). The CPUs also connect via QPI to to an IOH (Input/Output Hub), which in turn connects to the PCIe controller (from whence Thunderbolt flows).
The separation between the system bus and the expansion busses means they do not need to be synchronized: the CPUs do not have to be slowed down to the speed of the expansion bus. This also allows the bus’s controller to coordinate the expansion devices; without an expansion bus controller, the CPUs themselves must expend cycles intermediating expansion devices.
Thunderbolt will get faster, no doubt — but remember that in terms of expansion, Thunderbolt (external packetized DisplayPort + PCIe) is itself a subset of PCIe with additional overhead. Also remember that while PCIe/TB speeds are improving, so too are CPU interconnect speeds improving. PCIe was never designed to connect CPUs and RAM, and it’s unlikely that it will ever be the best solution for doing so.
[Bill Davis] “After all, no matter how many garden hoses you bundle together to deliver water somewhere, at some point isn’t just changing to a single firehose more efficient? So in an data manipulation sense – if, in fact, larger pipes are on the horizon (no matter what form they take) at some point we have to stop thinking that the ONLY way to shuffle lots of data must continue to come in the forms that have been limited by our old buss speeds.”
We’re not talking about the limitations of our old bus speeds; we’re talking about the limitations of our new bus speeds.
Walter Soyka
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Right now, 4x gets a “bad rap” in it’s supposed incompetence, but right now, 4x is pretty damn fast.”
I think this is a really important point.
Thunderbolt rocks. The MacBook Air Thunderbolt demo [link] you shared almost a year ago now is still most impressive.
Thunderbolt is not the solution for every need, but there are a great many needs where it is a very compelling solution.
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[Rich Rubasch] “I have a reason a tower is a good thing….I have six of them in a rack. Everything is inside. I don’t have room for a pile of tethered devices strewn about the server room.”
I can think reasons to keep towers around too, but I’m not sure if Apple feels the same way…
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[Walter Soyka] “almost a year ago now”
time sure does move in a hurry
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[Jeremy Garchow] “time sure does move in a hurry”
Just like Thunderbolt.
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Aren’t useful waveforms important in dedicated audio apps too? I also like using a vectorscope in conjunction with a video monitor. Anyway I must’ve missed the other thread. But my point is basically FCP X is a better, more powerful audio tool than legacy in every way, except that it doesn’t have a mixer, which is of course a track based concept. If they add a mixer, it would make it a better app. It’ll just have to be a roles mixer or something a bit different.
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[Steve Connor] “True, but what I’m saying is that in reality Adobe aren’t actually TELLING us anything beyond the fact that you are listening and that you know the areas that need to be addressed, even if some of them have been problems for considerably more than one release cycle.
“sure, but there is a real quality of life difference in the culture
look at this chain: phillip bloom highlights this:
https://philipbloom.net/2012/07/07/premiereicons/
and then the actual bloody adobe blog follows it:
https://blogs.adobe.com/kevinmonahan/2012/09/20/smaller-premiere-pro-cs6-trim-tool-icons/
that is adobe tipping the cap and highlighting the ability to modify its own core onscreen icons.
That’s a car mechanic to car mechanic ethos. I’m not going to get that stuff from the apple genius bar.
Apple might consider bifurcating pro-app communications. A guy walking into vodafone for an iphone is deeply unlikely to know apple are giving editing musings away.
Also it would stagger the pro community. massive free positive publicity, and clean rain over the launch debacle. I bet there are guys in apple who would love to chew the hash over PIOPS – I actually think they should be allowed to – fly a pirate flag if needs be.
And also look – there’s no way we don’t want PPro 6.5/7 to be anything less than a first rank field player. London has a bit of an avid sky closing overhead.
which is fine and all – but you know what I mean.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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