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I object to how FCP deals with render files
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[Ben Holmes] “However, you could probably have avoided this re-rendering if a) you hadn’t altered the easy setup – you only needed to change the capture preset to HDV and b) you used the ‘undo’ key when you get this issue.”
Ben has hit the nail on the head. Easy setup changes the entire project, and so changing the easy setup from 8-bit to HDV will discard the 8-bit renders because its programmed to do just that.
By virtue of the fact that FCP doesn’t change the settings for Seq 1 in a new project when changing the Easy Setup, you would think that changing Easy setup should not effect cuts and renders on other open timelines, but it does. It could have been programmed differently and maybe should have programmed differently, but thats how it is programmed.
DRW
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[David Roth Weiss] “[Ben Holmes] “However, you could probably have avoided this re-rendering if a) you hadn’t altered the easy setup – you only needed to change the capture preset to HDV and b) you used the ‘undo’ key when you get this issue.”
Ben has hit the nail on the head. Easy setup changes the entire project, and so changing the easy setup from 8-bit to HDV will discard the 8-bit renders because its programmed to do just that.
By virtue of the fact that FCP doesn’t change the settings for Seq 1 in a new project when changing the Easy Setup, you would think that changing Easy setup should not effect cuts and renders on other open timelines, but it does. It could have been programmed differently and maybe should have programmed differently, but thats how it is programmed.
DRW”
In this particular situation since most of it is 10-bit uncompressed and there are a few hdv clips, I would have:
1) opened a separate fcp project to capture the HDV.
2) converted the HDV clips to 10-bit SD clips to match the easy setup(using mpeg streamclip)
3) dropped them in the 10-bit timeline and be done with it.
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“Although I still 100% hate working with Audio in FCP… but that’s another rant altogether…”
Really? Personally I consider audio on FCP to be pretty good but go on spill the beans John!
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[Martin Baker] “”Although I still 100% hate working with Audio in FCP… but that’s another rant altogether…”
Really? Personally I consider audio on FCP to be pretty good but go on spill the beans John!”
Gotta agree with Martin here. FCP handles audio pretty much the way Media 100 handled it and pretty much like any other NLE I’ve used. It does a great job for us.
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Well it wasn’t at first, but with the invention of cmd+option+l it became the most productive NLE for audio I’ve ever used. And when they added the audio mixer it got even better.
FCP is definitely faster and easier to manipulate audio than Avid or Media 100 now.
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Hey folks,
Sorry – had to actually finish the project last night rather than reply to posts – how unfair! 🙂
Ok. Here’s what I think came up that i should mention…
1) My laziness caused the problem
2) Audio in FCP
3) Broadcast safe effect – nothing really to add here, but why have an effect called Broadcast Safe that doesn’t actually give you broadcast safe? (enough re-renders and tweaks will at least flatten the video levels, but no matter what I do -
John – there’s certainly a few quirks in FCP, and a few bugs for sure – Broadcast Safe is as much of a mystery to me as it is to everyone else – but it’s also the case that some of the problems you’ve described are down to your method. Your mention of using Easy Setup, in a situation where it just should never have been used, serves as a reminder to all of us that some times FCP bites us because we didn’t play with it nice – not because it doesn’t work properly.
Every day I find something in FCP that I haven’t tried before, and most of the time it trips me up – but it’s usually me, not the system.
Just a friendly observation – I hate to see someone so at odds with something you obviously use every day to, like, make a living and stuff. Workarounds and tried and tested methods are the stuff of all software, but I think FCP is more foolproof than most…
Wishing you a better day tomorrow.
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Before you export anything, render everything and mix down the audio. That should cover all the keyframe and missing effects and stuff. Somehow FCP likes to render out to aiff as if it’s having a hard time playing back real time effects, when essentially it should be rendering everything. Obviously a bug in the media management. If everything insn’t rendered and mixed down, it’s kind of a guess which files FCP will choose for the export. If you render all and mixdown and you like how it sounds and looks in Final Cut, then that’s what you’ll get on output/export.
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Hey,
Cheers for the reply.
The one thing I’d ask though on the audio thing, is how else do I mix-down other than export an AIFF? If I just do a nested track, that obviously still throws up the render error – so the only thing I can see to do is just export a stereo mix AIFF. Let me know if I’m missing something glaring.
(By the way, before I do that, I delete all the Audio Render files, so it renders everything one last time – that still doesn’t make a difference – just had a ‘new piece of audio’ inserted at the end of the programme. Which was nice… And then, to top it off, when I changed it, and tried to insert the new, 30 second part of the programme, I got the frustrating ‘…the selection only lasts one frame’ error when doing the edit-to-tape.
Like I said, it knows that I have my mis-givings with it, and frankly, likes to take the pee-pee out of mee-mee.
🙂
J
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