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I. NEEED. Guidance. I’ve tried everything.
Ho.. ly… Sh*t.
I’m devastated. Completely smashed. Drained from energy.
I’ve had one techincal issue after another and where I could fix the internet and my headset I JUST CAN’T seem to fix Sony Vegas Pro 12.
Okay here we go:
There is a lot going on here. Let me just address the issues at hand at first:
1: When I render my files turns out darker than they originally are.
1.a: When I try to use any kind of “lightening” effect to light it
up it ruins my before great quality of 1080p HD. It makes it
sort of grainy.2: This problems is kind of why I have problem number three. More or less unrelated to SVP12 however. I’ve begun doing LP and it’s actually going great and people have been really positive about my content. So, naturally, that motivates me to venture on.
So. After just having finished Anna – Extended Edition, I decided to go for Shadow Warrior w/ facecam. I installed the game, turned FRAPS on, and were good to go. But. Hmm.. It seemed a bit laggy. Wow, actually very laggy. So laggy that I couldn’t play. So I went out and grabbed myself a copy of Dxtory. It had pretty good rumours, yes I had to do ALOT of reading to find out to use it but I made it work in the end.
I record and it lags. A LOT. So after more researching I find out that I should download Lagarith Lossless Package (something like that I reckon). I do that. My game is super smooth. Finally! However:
2.a: My Dxtory stops recording every 3,99 GB. I can find NO ONE
with this problem. It doesn’t continue recording and use a
different file like FRAPS, no, it just stops. Other people,
as far as I understand, just get one long clip. Preferable,
to having to press the record button to start and stop the
recording every 2 min just to be sure that it does in fact
record.3: Apparently. The only files (don’t know how it is for FRAPS) that Dxtory can record is rawcap and AVI. Rawcap is a tool (I think) so that you can make it into AVI later on and save recording/writing space. I suppose. Anyways, that leads me to AVI anyway which is cool. I can chose multiple sound channels. 1 for my microphone, and 1 for my in-game sound. (However I found that the sound could be better. So I found audacity. Anyone knows if I can record that when I play? Does it have a limited time of recording or something like that?). The real bugger here is:
My. Sony. Vegas. HATES. DESPITES. AVI files. I’ve never, NEVER, seen so much lag in SVP. It’s ridiculous. I have to prerender everything if I just want a TINY change of being able to edit ANYTHING. Even when I do this, it tends (very often – very) to lag. Even after I used shift+b. What?!
3.a: Nah-uh. I got more. When I render my videos (I used
Videos4Youtube – an extension). It, even, lags in the rendered
file.. Now the weird thing here is; that my webcam (as I told
you, it was w/ facecam) does NOT lag. So I really assume that
it’s something about these pesky AVI files.I’ve also tried rendering with something else than Videos4Youtube.
I’ve tried EVERYTHING. I mean litteraly ANYTHING – except adressing the problem myself in the form of a forum. I’ve tried Google, YouTube, reading the SVP 12 manual, CreativeCOW, and other forums and more and more and more. I’m at the end of my road. I need some help.
I will provide you with as much info as I can:
Homemade PC:
Windows edition:
Windows 7 Ultimate
Copyright 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Service Pack 1.System:
Rating: 5,9
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2,67 GHz
Installed memory (RAM): 4,00 GB
System type: 64-bit Operating System
Pen and Touch: No Pen or Touch Input is available for this
Display.Under Device Manager:
Class for PdiPorts devices:
– PDI Kernel Ports Device DriverComputer:
– ACPI x64-based PCDisk drives:
– Samsung HD154UI ATA Device
– WD 10EADS External USB DeviceDisplay Adapters:
– ATI Radeon HD 5800 SeriesDVD/CD-ROM drives:
– TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C ATA DeviceHuman Interface Devices:
– Hid-compliant consumer control device
– Hid-compliant consumer control device
– Hid-compliant consumer control device
– Hid-compliant device
– Hid-compliant device
– Hid-compliant device
– Hid-compliant device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input Device
– USB Input DeviceIDE ATA/ATAPI controllers:
– ATA Channel 0
– ATA Channel 0
– ATA Channel 0
– ATA Channel 1
– ATA Channel 1
– ATA Channel 1
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller – 3B26
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family 4 port Serial ATA Storage Controller – 3B20
– Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE ControllerImaging devices:
– Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920Keyboards:
-HID Keyboard Device
-HID Keyboard Device
-HID Keyboard DeviceMice and other pointing devices:
– HID-compliant mouse
– HID-compliant mouseMonitors:
– Acer P235HNetwork adapter:
– Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
– TP-LINK Wireless USB AdapterPorts (COM & LPT)
– Communications Port (COM1)Processors:
– Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2,67 GHz
– Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2,67 GHz
– Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2,67 GHz
– Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2,67 GHzRazer Device:
– Virtual HID Minidriver CollectionSound, video and game controllers:
– AMD High Definition Audio Device
– Avnex Virtual Audio Device
– HD Pro Webcam C920
– Turtle Beach SEVEN CHAT
– Turtle Beach SEVEN GAME
– VIA High Definition AudioSystem devices:
– ACPI Fixed Feature Button
– ATK0110 ACPI UTILITY
– Composite Bus Enumerator
– Direct memory access controller
– High Definition Audio Controller
– High Definition Audio Controller
– High precision event timer
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 – 3B42
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 5 – 3B4A
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 6 – 3B4C
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 7 – 3B4E
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 8 – 3B50
– Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge – 244E
– Intel(R) 82802 Firmware Hub Device
– Intel(R) P55 Express Chipset LPC Interface Controller – 3B02
– Intel(R)processor DMI – D131
– Intel(R)processor Miscellaneous Registers – D158
– Intel(R)processor PCI Express Root Port 1 – D138
– Intel(R)processor Semaphore and Scratchpad Registers – D156
– Intel(R)processor System Control and Status Registers – D157
– Intel(R)processor System Management Registers – D155
– Intel(R) QuickPath Interconnect – D150
– Intel(R) QuickPath Interconnect – D151
– Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
– Microsoft System Management BIOS Driver
– Microsoft Virtual Drive Enumerator Driver
– Numeric data processor
– PCI bus
– Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator
– Programmable interrupt controller
– Remote Desktop Device Redirector Bus
– Synaptics SMBus Driver
– System CMOS/real time clock
– System speaker
– System timer
– UMBus Enumerator
– UMBus Root Bus EnumeratorUniversal Serial Bus Controllers:
– Generic USB Hub
– Generic USB Hub
– Generic USB Hub
– HUAWEI Mobile Connect – Bus Enumerate Device
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller – 3B34
– Intel(R) 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller – 3B3C
– Logitech USB Camera (HD Pro Webcam C920)
– USB Composite Device
– USB Composite Device
– USB Composite Device
– USB Composite Device
– USB Mass Storage Device
– USB Root Hub
– USB Root HubThat was everything from Device Manager. A lot could probably have been spared but as I said, I want to be sure.
From the SVP 12 project:
Properties for a random facecam video file:
General
Name: Video 6.mp4
Folder: C:UsersMatthiasVideosLogitech Webcam
Type: Sony AVC
Size: 376,34 MB (385.374.474 bytes)
Created: 27. december 2013, 22:02:21
Modified: 27. december 2013, 22:14:55
Accessed: 27. december 2013, 22:02:21
Attributes: ArchiveStreams
Video: 00:12:33,184, 14,962 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:12:33,433, 48.000 Hz; Mono, AACACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: noOther metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: noMedia manager
Media tags: noPlug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder: C:Program FilesSonyVegas Pro 12.0FileIO Plug-Inscompoundplug
Format: Sony AVC
Version: Version 12.0 (Build 726) 64-bit
Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.Properties for a random video file filmed with Dxtory:
General
Name: sw 2013-12-28 01-56-00-496.avi
Folder: G:Movies
Type: Video for Windows
Size: 2,86 GB (2.930.208.784 bytes)
Created: 28. december 2013, 01:56:00
Modified: 28. december 2013, 01:58:36
Accessed: 31. december 2013, 00:00:00
Attributes: ArchiveStreams
Video: 00:02:30,733, 30,000 fps, 1920x1080x32, Lagarith Lossless Codec
Audio 1: 00:02:32,220, 48.000 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo, Uncompressed
Audio 2: 00:02:32,220, 48.000 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo, UncompressedSummary
Software: DxtoryCore ver2.0.0.122
Album/source: Video:Lagarith Lossless Codec Audio0:Speakers (Turtle Beach SEVEN GAME) Audio1:Microphone (Turtle Beach SEVEN CHAT)ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: noOther metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: noMedia manager
Media tags: noPlug-In
Name: aviplug.dll
Folder: C:Program FilesSonyVegas Pro 12.0FileIO Plug-Insaviplug
Format: Video for Windows
Version: Version 12.0 (Build 726) 64-bit
Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.My Project Properties:
Video:
Template:
– Custom (1920×1080; 30,000 fps)Width:
– 1.920Height:
– 1080Field order:
– None (progressive scan)Pixel aspect ratio:
– 1,0000 (Square)Output rotation:
– 0(degree sign) (original)Fram rate:
– 30,000Stereoscopic 3D mode:
– OffPixel format:
– 8-bitCompositing gamma (locked on):
– 2,222 (Video)View Transform (locked on):
– OffFull-resolution rendering quality:
– BestMotion blur type:
– GaussianDeinterlace method:
– Blend fieldsAdjust source media to better match project or render settings:
– CheckedFree storage in selected folder: 669,9 Gigabytes.
Start all new projects with these settings:
– UncheckedAudio:
Master bus mode:
– StereoNumber of stereo busses:
– 0Sample rate (Hz:
– 48.000Bit depth:
– 16Resample and stretch quality:
– GoodFree storage space in selected folder:
– 669,9 GigabytesRuler:
Ruler time format:
– Time & FramesRuler start time:
– 00:00:00,00Measures & Beats
Beats per minute:
– 120,000Beats per measure:
– 4Note that gets one beat:
– QuarterI don’t know what else I can provide you guys. Tell me – and I will.
I REALLY hope that you can help me with this. Because I like editing videos and doing Let’s Plays, but not if I lag my ass out everytime.
Thank you very much in advance,
Fisenberg
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Okay I dicussed this with a new-made friend on YouTube and it seems it’s my footage itself that’s laggy.
Any suggestions to what I should do in the future?
And any suggestions to what I can do to save what I got?
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As for why your videos get darker, this is probably because your camera outputs full range data (0-255) and most players assume a smaller video range (16-235) by default (if they have an option). On playback the players expand the range back to 0-255 because this is what computer monitors want.
Assuming your camera source is full range then…
On the output video fx, you can add, Sony Levels with the Computer to Studio RGB preset.This will make the preview window in Vegas look a little washed out. I normally level the levels setting on and let it be washed out. Except of course when I am making color and contrast judgements.
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Thanks for the tip!
Is this the only way it’s done? Is there no alternative where I can preserve my quality and colours? 🙂
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Yes, you have to make sure your levels are correct for correct playback. Rec 709 is the color standard for HD and in 8-bit digital form they specify that levels are to be 16-235. Full range is 0-255.
Now it gets fuzzy and loose with “standards”. AVC (H.264) video stream support a flag which denotes if the contained data is full range. Many cameras output full range data and set this flag and the Vegas decoder handles this. They probably output full range because maybe you can adjust better before final output which might be 16-235.
Some players/decoders may not look at this flag and assume a Rec 709 encoded file is 16-235. Here you will have a problem with playback if you have a full range file.
Some editors like Premiere always normalize input to 16-235. Vegas does not. This gives access to the full camera range data but then puts the burden on you to get a proper range on output. Whatever that may be and whatever those requirements are.
Also, I have no idea if the AVC encoders in Vegas support both full range and Studio (16-235) range or if they always assume 16-235. I have not tested.
I just make sure my output will always be 16-235 and this means I have to add a levels adjustment to the output. Either Computer to Studio, or studio to computer depending on the situation. It is a pain, yes, and there are ways Vegas could add options to help us. It is what it is and we have to deal with.
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Lots of data presented there, but one big missing item: when you’re capturing video and hitting that 3.99GB limit… what device is it writing to? Writing uncompressed HD at 60p is not an exercise for the weak of heart… you would need about 380MB/s of sustained throughput to do that to a single drive in real time. You should check into the kind of compressed video available, and how that matches your HDDs.
And if you’re writing to a 32-bit file system (eg, not NTFS or exFAT), you are pretty much getting some kind of error at 3.99GB… or perhaps just rolling over and over-writing the start of the file, depending on the software. You need a 64-bit file system. Assuming other users are not having this problem, that’s the thing to look for.
-Dave
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