I already hate it

[Steve Connor]

I thought you hadn’t moaned about FCP for a while – If you hate it it so much why on earth do you use it?

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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[Walter Biscardi]

[bogiesan] “Why is Color’s interface allowed to even exist on the same planet with other Apple-branded applications?”

Because this is a color correction software that was developed several years ago for Professional Colorists. Not Final Cut Pro Editors. If you don’t want to use it, don’t. But I hope they never change the interface. It’s a perfect interface for what the tool is. once you learn it, it’s an incredibly simple interface.

Go look up a daVinci Color Correction System. Look at the screen shots. Looks almost identical to Color.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.

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[Walter Biscardi]

[Steve Connor] ”
I thought you hadn’t moaned about FCP for a while – If you hate it it so much why on earth do you use it?”

That’s a really good point. Too many NLE’s out there to complain about the one you’re using. We’re actually getting two copies of the Adobe Premium Production package here and I’m looking forward to playing with all their apps to see how they compare to the Studio suite.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Chris Borjis]

[walter biscardi] “I’m looking forward to playing with all their apps to see how they compare to the Studio suite.”

Good luck with Premiere.

It’s still pretty unstable and has more driver problems to interface with hardware than any other NLE.

[Shane Ross]

Bogie’s whining because..well…he’s older (*ahem…sorry) and new tools and old guys don’t mix! HAHAHA! Pardon me while I duck and run.

No…seriously now. Color does look intimidating…and IS intimidating to those who aren’t professional colorists. I was a professional ONLINE EDITOR…meaning I uprezed footage and did color correct it, but on Avid and FCP systems…but not a professional COLORIST (those guys on the DaVinci who do the SERIOUS work)..and it looks daunting to me. NOW..saying that, this app isn’t for everyone. I don’t mix audio, so I don’t use Soundtrack Pro. If you like the color correction tools in FCP, use those. Don’t feel pressure to use Color…you didn’t pay anything extra for it.

Integration is improving…but still has some issues. Those will get ironed out.

And I do wish that the FCP interface, although I’d like everything to remain where it is “it works, done fix what ain’t broke), but they could “cool it up” a little. Make it look cool and futuristic.

And I know you griped about not being able to “get” Motion (griped elsewhere, not here)…this is because you are a deeply entrenched AE guy. I am too…so getting Motion is tough. But…just gotta let go of your old notions. Or not. If you don’t like it, again…don’t use it. AE is still a mighty handy app that I will not be getting rid of.

Gives you more time to ride your bike anywho.

BTW, I too FINALLY got FCS2, but will only be “playing” with it for a while. Still finishing a project up with FCP 5.1.4 (I installed FCS2 on my SECONDARY internal HD, installing a fresh OS and getting everything to the latest versions)…and earning a living cutting on an Avid. I like playtime anyway. Means I can make my mistakes when time, and the project, really don’t matter. That is the BEST way to learn. Not when you have to make 5:00 FedEx.

Shane

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[Mike Most — account bouncing, bad address]

>>Go look up a daVinci Color Correction System. Look at the screen shots. Looks almost>> identical to Color.

Huh? The DaVinci user interface doesn’t even remotely resemble that of Color. In fact, I can’t think of one widget that’s even somewhat similar.

However, on the other hand, there are a number of instances in which the interfaces of Color and Autodesk Lustre are quite similar.

[Rich Rubasch]

–When will our “tightly integrated applications” actually use the same keyboard shortcuts, –related concepts, similar terminology and file save boxes?

I think Apple’s “suite” suffers from the same problem The Avid “suite” suffers from. Both companies bought a bunch of single app companies that had some software technology they though they could “fit” into their toolset. Since they weren’t written from the ground up, they only took on a percentage of the Apple look and feel. Also explains the dialog box issues. Apple’s integration is a bit better IMO.

–Why aren’t roundtrips between these “tightly integrated” apps total no-brainers like they –are in Adobe CS2 or CS3?

Honestly I think Adobe really has some crack programmers and really think about workflow…Apple really wants you to buy a new G5. And another one next year…and an iPod and a phone. Adobe sells software. They write better software. Not sure I would say that about Premier…but.

–Why didn’t LiveType become a real Macintosh application or get the merciful death it
–deserves?

I have actually wondered this myself…how DOES it fit in? Sure takes a ton of space to install if you load all the fonts. Who is using it in a professional setting? Why not roll some of the features into the text tool and call it a day?

–Phooey. This is a 5.6 rev, not a legitimate upgrade. It’s nothing but v5.5 with a sloppy, –thin coat of gloss.

Haven’t really jumped in yet, but I think most of the new stuff ended up in Motion and Color. Kind of agree that that might constitute “gloss” as he suggests. I have not heard of any new major revelations on basic workflow additions…things like the digitize window, bin sifting, better keyframing of effects, just some nice surprises in the basic interface. Not much that I have read here. But as I said, have yet to really give it a go.

I spent a couple thousand dollars getting three suites up and running with upgrades and a new package…So far I would agree that it is a pretty “gloss” upgrade…

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media

[Andy Mees]

a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do ….
.. and when bogiesan needs a whinge you gotta just let it roll over you 🙂

David, I wish I felt your pain but I don’t have my copy of FCP2 yet, you lucky dog. Oh for that pretty “gloss” upgrade. If I don’t get a multi-format timeline and ProRes422 renders here in my multi MPEG2 format world soon, I swear I’m going to die!

Andy

[John Foley]

Color 1.0 as a start! It is the $25,000 version is it not? Now maybe it will be some time before the non-colorists develop into colorists.

How’s about (you mentioned) we have waited for an open timeline for how long? The extra special 422 codec is cool for some.

What about 3D in Motion? What about 5.1 surround in Soundtrack? What about all those cool templates and sound files that were loaded for both Motion and Soundtrack?

Cinema Tools for those that need them and LiveType is still usable!

It may be worth a “glossover” to some but to those who use most all of what was there in FCS1, It IS An Upgrade!

[Bret Williams]

It’s an actual upgrade to Motion. That’s it. And considering they used to sell Motion for $299, well this upgrade is overpriced.

As others have pointed out, the fcp upgrades are a 5.5 upgrade at best, and that’s pushing it. 5.x to 5.1 was a bigger update. DVDSP, LT, nothing. Soundtrack, yes big update in 5.1. And nothing special happens in the multiformat timeline. They just took off the render restrictions as far as I can tell. And if you weren’t running if safe mode before, I’m not sure there’s much difference. Bah. I spent too much money. What happened to FCP Extreme? Let me guess… iPhone put it off. Well, I love my iPhone!