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X would fare even better if it didn’t waste vertical space like crazy. Look at all the gaps between “tracks.” And when you expand clips, it wastes even more space.
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[Oliver Peters] “If another NLE, such as Avid Media Composer, offered skimming and the style of film strip and list views used in FCP X, plus easy file import, which NLE would you prefer? The assumption is that tracks and timeline editing methods wouldn’t change, “
Just to veer back on topic… The X magnetic timeline/skimmer combo is what appeals to me. And really, even the “skimming” available in Pr falls way short of what I’ve become used to. Drives me nuts on days like today when I’m cutting in a tracked NLE. Though I thing that stuff, particularly file import, would be a great addition to MC, making MC more like Pr wouldn’t change my preference. Though I do like trimming in MC. 🙂
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Come to think of it, Motion already sort of has what I’m thinking of. You flip open the audio panel and all your audio is there. X could have some sort of panel where you flip it open and your roles become tracks and the role mixer actually makes visual sense. Seeing how Apple likes to keep Motion and FCP X using the same interface metaphors, I could see them doing something along those lines.
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[Bret Williams] “X would fare even better if it didn’t waste vertical space like crazy. Look at all the gaps between “tracks.” And when you expand clips, it wastes even more space.”
I agree to a point. You can of course collapse down to label only view, where no space is wasted. also, note that the FCP 7 timeline is resized to the entire height of a 27″ screen, while the X timeline only takes up about 2/3 of it. To be fair, PR, with stereo tracks would probably be closer to X as far as screen RE.
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2 weeks ago I had to download avid to merge some mxf files from an episode of a show into a single ProRes file for editing as FCPX wouldn’t open them. These were 17 mxf files, 16 for audio and 1 for video. They came right out of a network’s Avid. They would not import back into the avid. I spend hours trying it. Eventually I bought a $255 plugin and imported it easily into FCPX, created a multi cam of all the tracks, exported to prores, and moved on – and deleted Avid.
Yesterday I opened Premiere Pro CC for the first time on my mac. It took so long to first boot up I forgot I had opened it. When it did open, I went to create a new project. Beachball. Eventually I got Premiere Pro CC to open. Imported a bunch of episodes of a show. For a while they wouldn’t play at all. Eventually they did.
So I made some quick test edits into the timeline. You forget a lot of what used to be habitual when you go back to track editing. The biggest was dropping a clip onto another clip just blows it away. There’s no way I’m going back to that.Once you get used to audio being merged into your video track, or clips in the timeline getting out of the way vs being blown away by a new edit, it’s really hard to go back. There are things I want added/fixed with FCPX, but it has spoiled me to the point of ruining everything else. That’s the absolute truth.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[John Davidson] “2 weeks ago I had to download avid to merge some mxf files from an episode of a show into a single ProRes file for editing as FCPX wouldn’t open them. “
With all due respect, I’m going to chide you a bit. This is the shoe on the other foot. You approached MC with the assumption that it should work like it does in FCP. It doesn’t. What you wanted to do could have been accomplished very easily using drag and drop methods. Just not the way you think. I’m not saying the way Avid does things isn’t still arcane. You just fell afoul of the same issues that everyone routinely accuses other editors of, when they make simple mistakes using X, because they assume it should work like FCP or MC. Any software has a certain level of complexity that becomes transparent once you know it.
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[John Davidson] “Once you get used to audio being merged into your video track, or clips in the timeline getting out of the way vs being blown away by a new edit, it’s really hard to go back. There are things I want added/fixed with FCPX, but it has spoiled me to the point of ruining everything else. That’s the absolute truth.”
In nerdly internet shorthand… +1 🙂
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No really, they didn’t work. I was putting them in all the right folders, and even texting Jeremy G for advice while I was doing it. It just…didn’t…work.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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Place them in a new numbered folder (like “2”) that you’ve created within Avid MediaFiles/MXF. Make sure you are doing this on a local drive so there are no permissions issues. Launch MC (it will rescan all Avid MediaFiles folders). Open a new bin in your project. Drag the media database file (.mdb file created when this folder was scanned during MC’s launch) from the folder into your open bin in MC. Master clips immediately appear. Audio and video will be combined in one master clip as normal.
You cannot drag MXF files from the folder into MC directly because this type of MXF does not permit this.
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[Brett Sherman] “I’d say my experience is based in the real world as opposed to theoretical discussion.”
you have me beat there. still – you really do need some keyboard shortcuts for track height – seriously, that is just insane – or maybe even the sensory thrill that is running your finger up the magic mouse to expand and contract tracks with millimetre precision. ala ppro cc – 🙂
also, and just for kicks, pancaking timelines for selects sourcing is something I’m personally getting rather quite seriously into. it’s one of the rare times I feel smart. The adobe premiere interface kind of is a magnetic meccano set par excellence.
yes indeed, you’ve just gotta love that solid iron X unibrick interface. tee the very small hee.
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