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  • HV30 30p & XHA1 30F are not multiclip compatible?

    Posted by Joel Peregrine on December 9, 2008 at 5:09 am

    Hello all,

    Just curious is anyone has run into this before – I’ll be very surprised if I’m the first. I shoot with Canon XHA1’s at 30F and HV30’s at 30P. When I capture them into FCP 6 the HV30’s show up as 1080i60. The XHA1’s show up as 108030p. This happens regardless what camera is used for capture, the A1 or the 30. I’ve even tried Capture Magic HD and had the same results.

    This is fine except for when I want to create a multiclip. I get a warning that the codec types are not the same and therefore multiclip isn’t possible. I am shooting 30p and 30F mostly to avoid the extra step of running all of the HV30 footage through compressor for a reverse telecine when shooting both at 24. Am I doomed to always have to run half my footage through compressor in order to do a multiclip?

    Mike Richmond replied 16 years, 9 months ago 5 Members · 6 Replies
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  • David Foster

    December 9, 2008 at 10:12 am

    I have a feeling your assumption is correct. After looking at your screenshot, I don’t believe you can mix 30f (or P) with 60i in a multiclip. there must be a way in capture settings to get the hv30 to correctly show 30p. I’ll experiment with my hv20 tomorrow.

    Dave

  • Chris Poisson

    December 9, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Joel,

    You might try transcoding one or the other in Compressor to get the same frame rate.

    Have a wonderful day.

  • Joel Peregrine

    December 9, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Thanks Dave! Today I loaded up a project I shot at 24F on the A1 and 24p on the HV30. I ran the HV30 footage through the reverse telecine process suggested in the Apple knowledge base article. I then tried using those converted prores clips along with the A1 24f captures and got the same error when attempting to make a mulitclip – different codec types. Ugh. Right now I’m converting some HV30 clips from 60i to 30p in Compressor to see if they are digestible by Multicam…

  • Bill Dewald

    December 9, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Can you ingest the XHA1 30p footage as 60i?

  • Joel Peregrine

    December 9, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for your interest.

    “Can you ingest the XHA1 30p footage as 60i?”

    Right now the XHA1 footage shot at 30F, when captured using FCP’s HDV capture preset, shows up as 30p in FCP’s browser. The HV30’s footage shot at 30p is showing up as 60i in FCP’s browser. It makes no difference which camera I capture on either. Here’s what I’ve decided to do for now – I’m exporting the HV30 material that I need for the muliticlip as a HDV – 1080p30 file. I take a hit with a compression cycle but until I figure out a faster more efficient workflow this will have to do. I tried exporting the HV30 footage as ProRes – 1080p30 but that gave me the same ‘not the same codec type’ errow, so it has to be HDV. The cons are the quality hit and the time it takes, but I make that up in the space requirements. I run through up to 15 hours of captures every week so whatever I decide to do it has to be fast and efficient. Below is a still of some artifacts that occur as result of the 1080i60 to 1080p30 HDV conversion. (This is a screen capture blown up 400% in two viewers.) The left is the converted file – notice the blockiness in some of the nondescript areas. At 100% they are not noticeable.

  • Mike Richmond

    July 29, 2009 at 1:40 am

    I know this is an old thread, but I had the same problem. I shot with two HV30s and one XHA1 and then found that the ‘only’ difference in FC (in this case, the new version 7) was the field dominance. All three cameras were set as in the original post above. I captured using one of the HV30s for tapes from all three cameras. The HV30-recorded tapes captured as Upper field dominance, while the XHA1-recorded tape captured as “none” when captured by FC using the HV30.

    Unlike the original post, I was able to get this fixed by capturing the XHA1-recorded tape in the HV30 using Capture Magic, creating an .m2t file. Then I used MPEG Streamclip to convert to ProRes 4:2:2 and followed the dialog box hints for progressive material. MPEG Streamclip doesn’t have a ‘none’ option for field dominance.

    So now all three of my tapes are captured with Upper field dominance and multiclip in FC is happy.

    MikeR

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