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  • How to downconvert R3D footage in existing project/timeline?

    Posted by Nikolai Metin on December 19, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I was given a Premiere project, shot on R3D. It was almost finished when I got it, what is required of me is a day worth of editing under normal circumstances. Mostly straight cutting, CC and effects are already done, basically just making the film shorter. I’m editing in CS5 and this is a very rare occasion that I have to use Premiere(usually FCP) so pardon my ignorance.
    The problem is that whoever edited this before(no way to get in touch with that person), used native quality, so I can barely play it back in the project. I don’t know if this is normal, but the Premiere project file itself is almost 100mb big for a 30 min short with a limited number of takes.
    What I need is to make the existing timeline “lighter” so I can edit the project with ease and then I need to relink/export in full quality.
    Any advice on how to do that is much appreciated!!

    Nikolai Metin replied 15 years, 4 months ago 2 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Todd Kopriva

    December 20, 2010 at 1:15 am

    The first thing that I’d do is reduce the playback resolution in the Source Monitor and Program Monitor. That makes things move a lot faster without changing the sequence at all.

    See this page.

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  • Nikolai Metin

    December 20, 2010 at 2:58 am

    Thanks for reply! I did that, but it only allows me to go as low as 1/4. It plays considerably better, but still not too great.
    1/8 and 1/16 options are grayed out for some reason. How do I change that?

  • Todd Kopriva

    December 20, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    > 1/8 and 1/16 options are grayed out for some reason. How do I change that?

    Those are only available for some very large frame sizes.

    You haven’t told us anything about your computer system. Fast processors, fast local drives, and plenty of memory are all crucial for good performance.

    Also, make sure that you’ve installed the Premiere Pro CS5 (5.0.3) update. The recent updates include a lot of performance improvements.

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  • Nikolai Metin

    December 20, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Model Name: Mac Pro
    Model Identifier: MacPro3,1
    Processor Name: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
    Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
    Number Of Processors: 2
    Total Number Of Cores: 8
    L2 Cache (per processor): 12 MB
    Memory: 4 GB
    Bus Speed: 1.6 GHz
    Boot ROM Version: MP31.006C.B05
    SMC Version (system): 1.25f4

    NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT:

    Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
    Type: Display
    Bus: PCIe
    Slot: Slot-1
    PCIe Lane Width: x16
    VRAM (Total): 512 MB
    Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
    Device ID: 0x0602
    Revision ID: 0x00a2
    ROM Revision: 3233

  • Todd Kopriva

    December 20, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    That’s a somewhat underpowered system for doing digital cinema editing.

    Did you install the Premiere Pro CS5 (5.0.3) update that I asked about?

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  • Nikolai Metin

    December 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    I did, no significant improvement.

  • Nikolai Metin

    December 21, 2010 at 12:10 am

    Todd, thank you for your help, I really appreciate it. How come 1/8 and 1/16 are grayed out options… is there a way to make them available? What are they reserved for? I usually edit Canon 5D footage, so red 4K is kind of a large frame size(for my standards)

  • Todd Kopriva

    December 21, 2010 at 12:18 am

    Are you working in a 4K sequence? What are the dimensions of your sequence? The options for playback resolution are automatically enabled based on the dimensions of the sequence.

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  • Nikolai Metin

    December 21, 2010 at 12:27 am

    aha! so here’s the problem – this is the info from the sequence properties:

    1920 x 1080
    01;10;37;16, 23.976 fps
    48000 Hz – Stereo

    but when I click on the properties of the individual clips in the timeline I get:

    Type: RED R3D Raw File
    File Size: 991.9 MB
    Image Size: 4096 x 2048
    Pixel Depth: 32
    Frame Rate: 23.976
    Total Duration: 00:02:24:02
    Average Data Rate: 6.9 MB / second
    Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0

    Red R3D Details:

    Resolution: 4096×2048
    FrameRate Num: 24000
    FrameRate Den: 0

    What should I do now? Like I said earlier, it’s not my project, I’m just doing finishing touches for someone.

  • Todd Kopriva

    December 21, 2010 at 12:47 am

    Normally, if you were going to use 4K source assets scaled down for a merely HD sequence, you’d go ahead and make HD-sized versions of the assets and then use those as your sources for this project.

    This isn’t the same thing as using proxies, because the idea with a proxy workflow is that your final output will be the full frame size (in this case 4K).

    If you’re just putting some finishing touches on, then it might not be worth the trouble of converting and downscaling all of your sources. But you might want to ask the person who set this up why they were using 4K sources in a mere HD sequence.

    On a desktop computer with more power than your laptop, this wouldn’t likely be a problem; I use 4K R3D files as my daily test assets when trying out and testing Premiere Pro features. But you have to be more careful when working on a machine that barely meets the recommended system requirements for HD.

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