how many times must I see the spinning ball before I see the light

[Paul Jay]

Get an iMac and Premiere and fcpx will be more than happy.

[Craig Seeman]

Your MacPro is not all that great for FCPX.

You can see the Barefeats tests I posted in the other thread comparing late 2012 iMac vs 2010 6 Core MacPro for example.

FCPX relies on the GPU for many things and the newer GPUs outperform the 5870 and 5770. FCPX also uses AVX technology in Sandy and Ivy Bridge chips and not found in any MacPro. In some cases I believe it takes advantage of the “virtual cores” which I don’t think are in MacPros from 2008 and earlier. This would be even more of an issue if you’re on a Quad Core MacPro from that period as a Quad i7 may outperform.

Personally I have both a 2008 8 Core MacPro with 5770 and a base model 2011 15″ MBP and the latter feels faster with FCPX than the former.

[Bill Davis]

Look, let him go.

He’s pretty clear that he’s emotionally bruised by this and he’s not interested in making new space in his thinking.

I actually don’t blame him. ONE of my machines is pretty much like his – and as the code in FCP-X has developed and gotten more complex, that older machine of mine has had progressively more difficulty running X well.

My other machine, my (last model pre-thunderbolt) laptop just LOVES X and has none of the issues my MacPro has. So I’ve had to simply acknowledge that for anyone unable or unwilling to upgrade to modern level hardware (read stuff manufactured in the last 2 years) running X will be an increasingly difficult issue.

So the OP is correct in that X is NOT a good option for him as long as he has to rely on running older hardware.

Someday he’ll HAVE to upgrade his machine (we all do) then if he feels the weight of public opinion gives him a reason to look again, he might – OR he might be happily loyal to his new NLE beau and never look back.

That’s just how it is.

Move along.

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[Neil Patience]

Well said Bill, Premiere and Avid are going to work much better on that machine so Michael has choices, but if happy with CS.X why change/struggle ?
I have an old 8 core MacPro with a 5770 and X runs OK but is sluggish and I am sure would get bogged down on anything substantial. I also have a MBP i7 2.7 gig and X runs super quickly on that – It certainly seems you really do need pretty much up to date hardware to get the best out of X.
I was surprised how well the MBP did in Craigs shoot out post.

As Bill says Michael “move along” – happy editing.

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv

[Craig Seeman]

[Neil Patience] “Well said Bill, Premiere and Avid are going to work much better on that machine so Michael has choices, but if happy with CS.X why change/struggle ?”
[Neil Patience] “I was surprised how well the MBP did in Craigs shoot out post.”

Do note in the Part 2 of the shootout how well the Adobe apps and even Resolve performed on the 2012 27″ iMac. Apple moving to nVidia really does give very good performance with Adobe CS, FCPX, DaVinci Resolve. Until Apple replaces the MacPro, the new iMac is good for someone who needs to work with a variety of ProApps Hopefully Apple continues to keep nVidia in the game with good GPU options in the MacPro replacement. In the meantime the 2012 iMac seems a reasonable lower cost replacement for an older MacPro unless you’re already using 12 cores with “not officially supported” nVidia GPU.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

man emerges from the brush, angry – gives out to some guy he just read about, argues hardware penny pinching in his eyes, employes caps, goes back to using an editing system that is an eighteen month old dead carp that he continues to cradle and scream about.

lets do it:

He’s pretty clear that he’s emotionally bruised by this and he’s not interested in making new space in his thinking.

almost terrifyingly clawing at the other person. – you would really wonder at Bill’s motivation, I don’t recall the poster being here that much, but bill is desperate to bruise him.

[Bill Davis] “and as the code in FCP-X has developed and gotten more complex, that older machine of mine has had progressively more difficulty running X well. “

this bit here is kind of funny – bill appears to have internalised that FCPX is about to become self aware, that it is on a hockey stick curve where playing back pro res is going to require incredible resources. – anyway – i thought that was funny.

then bill goes just full versailles mad and starts declaring the world from his – Louis the 15th – vantage.

“Someday he’ll HAVE to upgrade his machine (we all do) then if he feels the weight of public opinion gives him a reason to look again, he might – OR he might be happily loyal to his new NLE beau and never look back.”

honest to god, I could have included more – in part, i personally think this forum should maybe go into the good night – its mostly redundant, we are largely repeating, but primarily, I think it should be shut off if only to see, in your mind’s eye, the reaction on bill’s face when he realises he can’t go utterly full bore lost sandwich to any individual who wanders in here. – yes, I might barrel on too, but I never carry on like Bill does in this fashion – he appears to have a taste for hammering unsuspecting people. We’re in a circle jerk here – Bill has a taste for punching people wandering in the door.

It serves to completely close off this forum. there’s very little air getting in these days in broader conversational terms.

for someone like Bill, a twenty five year nationally syndicated columnist, it shouldn’t end up like this.

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[David Cherniack]

Well, “Let him go.” probably says it all, doesn’t it.

You’re right, Aindreas. Nothing much left here beyond entrenched ideological bleatings, mostly from those who have committed to the Cause. Hey, it may be entertaining for a while but it does get tiring. I too think this forum has pretty much served it’s purpose. The world has moved on. Those using FCPX are happy with it. It does what they need it to do. Good. But this place is now just serving as a platform for persuasion with precious little new being added. It’s becoming one of those dreary rainy day places which purport to offer shelter but after a brief time, being out in the rain seems much more preferable.

The discussion is over. It’s now argument.

David
AllinOneFilms.com

[Rafael Amador]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Someday he’ll HAVE to upgrade his machine (we all do”
In fact, from now on, be ready to do it every two years.
That if you want to fallow the Apple’s pace.
Hopefully you will be able to keep using third part hardware for a bit longer.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Bill Davis]

[Rafael Amador] “In fact, from now on, be ready to do it every two years.
That if you want to fallow the Apple’s pace.”

I think Rafael is exactly correct in this.

The pace of hardware evolution is such that if your core tech is more than a couple of years old, it just can’t run the most modern software efficiently enough to get the performance gains that make a difference.

The coders creating our NLEs have to keep an eye on being backwards compatible, but at some point, that just hobbles them.

Probably another reason Apple did the BIG FCP switch.

Wrapping a new body around an old engine is all well and good. But sooner or later, engine technology evolves.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.

[Robert D’alexis]

Hi Bill

The website you linked to got my attention.
Do you ship outside the US?
Thanks,

Robert