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  • HELP – Multiple Framerates

    Posted by Sammyla on June 2, 2005 at 5:32 am

    FCP 4.5. Footage is from 4 different sources, and I am trying to combine it all into one sequence.

    I have footage in:

    DV-NTSC at 29.97 (from 16mm)
    DV-NTSC at 29.97 (pulled down from a 24p DV camera)
    DV-NTSC at 24 (from Super-16)
    HD-720p60 at 23.98 (from a pro HD camera)

    What timebase should I edit in? 24? 30?

    PLEASE HELP!

    Digitally Challenged.

    Graeme Nattress replied 20 years, 11 months ago 3 Members · 9 Replies
  • 9 Replies
  • Graeme Nattress

    June 2, 2005 at 12:34 pm

    You need to reverse telecine everything to 23.98fps.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

  • Sammyla

    June 2, 2005 at 4:04 pm

    Using Cinematools? Is there anything special I need to know to do this? Or will it be remarkably simple and self-explanatory?

    Digitally Challenged.

  • Graeme Nattress

    June 3, 2005 at 12:57 am

    The bad news is that Cinema Tools is arcane and complex. I don’t know if the new version is any better, but I certainly hope so. Really, it’s al down to reading the manual and lots of experimentation with the reverse telecine option.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

  • Bryan Shelton

    June 4, 2005 at 12:03 am

    Though it is time consuming, I would recommend using After Effects to remove your pulldown and render out 23.98 fps QTs. The pulldown removal is cleaner than in Cinema Tools. See: https://www.lafcpug.org/Tutorials/basic_video_to_film.html for evidence.

  • Graeme Nattress

    June 4, 2005 at 12:07 am

    That article is not evidence that AE is cleaner, but that Cinema Tools is a program where you have to get the settings just right for it to work. I, for one have never ever had any problems getting perfect 3:2 pulldown removals using Cinema Tools. You just have to get the cadence setting right and it works a treat.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

  • Sammyla

    June 6, 2005 at 1:41 am

    So, taking my 30 fps and 24 fps footage down to 23.98 is better than doing the opposite?

    Just curious — can someone tell me why?

    Digitally Challenged.

  • Graeme Nattress

    June 6, 2005 at 11:04 am

    It allows you to make a 24p DVD, which is better quality than a normal NTSC one, and for going to tape, you can add normal 3:2 pulldown to everything at the end, ensuring a constant cadence which can be a broadcaster’s requirement. You can also then do a very easy PAL conversion for international markets by speeding up everything to 25p.

    However, if the above advantages don’t give you, personally, any benefits as you have a different market or requirements, then just edit everything 29.97fps and make life easy.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

  • Sammyla

    June 9, 2005 at 7:54 pm

    Graeme –

    First off, thank you thank you thank you. You have helped a ton.

    2 more quickie questions, then I’m done, I swear.

    1 – You say 24p makes better quality DVDs. Is that better PICTURE quality? Or is the MOTION quality better?

    2 – Can iDVD take advantage of a 24p DVD? Or will I need DVD Studio Pro?

    Digitally Challenged.

  • Graeme Nattress

    June 9, 2005 at 9:22 pm

    A 24p DVD has the same “motion” as a DVD made at 29.97fps from 24p footage. All that is different is that in a 24pDVD, the pulldown is added by the player and not recorded on the disc. This means that you can record more on the disc for the same quality, or a higher quality for the same running time.

    The quality difference is in the less compression used to make the DVD, and hence it looks (or can look) visibly better.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP

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