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HELP – Multiple Framerates
Posted by Sammyla on June 2, 2005 at 5:32 amFCP 4.5. Footage is from 4 different sources, and I am trying to combine it all into one sequence.
I have footage in:
DV-NTSC at 29.97 (from 16mm)
DV-NTSC at 29.97 (pulled down from a 24p DV camera)
DV-NTSC at 24 (from Super-16)
HD-720p60 at 23.98 (from a pro HD camera)What timebase should I edit in? 24? 30?
PLEASE HELP!
Digitally Challenged.
Graeme Nattress replied 20 years, 11 months ago 3 Members · 9 Replies -
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Graeme Nattress
June 2, 2005 at 12:34 pmYou need to reverse telecine everything to 23.98fps.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Sammyla
June 2, 2005 at 4:04 pmUsing Cinematools? Is there anything special I need to know to do this? Or will it be remarkably simple and self-explanatory?
Digitally Challenged.
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Graeme Nattress
June 3, 2005 at 12:57 amThe bad news is that Cinema Tools is arcane and complex. I don’t know if the new version is any better, but I certainly hope so. Really, it’s al down to reading the manual and lots of experimentation with the reverse telecine option.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Bryan Shelton
June 4, 2005 at 12:03 amThough it is time consuming, I would recommend using After Effects to remove your pulldown and render out 23.98 fps QTs. The pulldown removal is cleaner than in Cinema Tools. See: https://www.lafcpug.org/Tutorials/basic_video_to_film.html for evidence.
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Graeme Nattress
June 4, 2005 at 12:07 amThat article is not evidence that AE is cleaner, but that Cinema Tools is a program where you have to get the settings just right for it to work. I, for one have never ever had any problems getting perfect 3:2 pulldown removals using Cinema Tools. You just have to get the cadence setting right and it works a treat.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Sammyla
June 6, 2005 at 1:41 amSo, taking my 30 fps and 24 fps footage down to 23.98 is better than doing the opposite?
Just curious — can someone tell me why?
Digitally Challenged.
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Graeme Nattress
June 6, 2005 at 11:04 amIt allows you to make a 24p DVD, which is better quality than a normal NTSC one, and for going to tape, you can add normal 3:2 pulldown to everything at the end, ensuring a constant cadence which can be a broadcaster’s requirement. You can also then do a very easy PAL conversion for international markets by speeding up everything to 25p.
However, if the above advantages don’t give you, personally, any benefits as you have a different market or requirements, then just edit everything 29.97fps and make life easy.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Sammyla
June 9, 2005 at 7:54 pmGraeme –
First off, thank you thank you thank you. You have helped a ton.
2 more quickie questions, then I’m done, I swear.
1 – You say 24p makes better quality DVDs. Is that better PICTURE quality? Or is the MOTION quality better?
2 – Can iDVD take advantage of a 24p DVD? Or will I need DVD Studio Pro?
Digitally Challenged.
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Graeme Nattress
June 9, 2005 at 9:22 pmA 24p DVD has the same “motion” as a DVD made at 29.97fps from 24p footage. All that is different is that in a 24pDVD, the pulldown is added by the player and not recorded on the disc. This means that you can record more on the disc for the same quality, or a higher quality for the same running time.
The quality difference is in the less compression used to make the DVD, and hence it looks (or can look) visibly better.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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