HDV editing in Final Cut Studio 2

[Jerry Hofmann]

FCP 6 hasn’t shipped. Those who have worked with it cannot talk…

FCP 5 works with HDV “natively” now… conforming times has nothing to do with the application… it has to do with the nature of native HDV… it HAS to be conformed. it’s GOP structure demands that. It’s not all i frames like DV is. it’s an mpeg stream where only a few frames contain all of the information about them. If you don’t edit on one of these “i” frames, the stream must be “conformed” to be the same GOP (group of pictures) structure that the original stream contained. Like Sony’s format only has 1 in 15 frames that is an i frame… so if you don’t edit on one of them… it has to reconform if you work in HDV natively.

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[Tom Wolsky]

You do realize that FCP6 has not yet been released, don’t you? No beta tester could comment on this. Nothing anyone said at NAB that I know of indicates any changes in FCP in this regard. It’s still native HDV with conform for output. There will be ProRes ingest however, which might be a solution for you.

All the best,

Tom

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[Walter Biscardi]

[bob archer] “Has anyone cut in the HDV format in Final Cut Studio 6? Is it truly native editing, or is there still large conform times when adding effects, titles, correction, etc to the clips in the timeline?”

It’s not shipping yet, nobody has used it except Beta Testers and of course they cannot speak publicly about that.

HDV by its very nature requires the conform process because it’s an MPEG-2 Long GOP format. Has nothing to do with FCP or your system.

If you don’t want the long conform process, capture / edit in another format. We convert HDV to DVCPro HD during capture right now. We will test out the new Apple Pro Res 422 codec as an alternative when we receive FCP 6.

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[Bob Archer]

So, it’s the nature of the codec which requires it to conform. I understand that, hence it’s ability to bring HD to a lower data rate / file size.

I am aware the program hasn’t reached release, but I remember there being two workstations set up at NAB that were supposed to be showcasing the new functionality with HDV. I was just looking for a bit of insight on what improvements or changes FCP will have in making workflow faster for this format.

I do like the idea of doing an offline with the ProRes, does anyone know what the transcoding times are supposed to be when using ProRes?

[Tom Wolsky]

ProRes would hardly be an offline solution for HDV. It would be your finishing solution.

All the best,

Tom

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[Walter Biscardi]

[Tom Wolsky] ”
ProRes would hardly be an offline solution for HDV. It would be your finishing solution.”

exactly. there would be no reason to go back to HDV, that’s why Apple introduced Pro Res.

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[Bob Archer]

So, the answer would be to transcode all the HDV footage to ProRes 422 and edit and output with it that way, then the conforming after every edit or effect would be relieved, correct?

[Bob Archer]

well, let me tack back the transcode bit and say capture.

[Michael Sandness]

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[Winston A. cely]

I must have misunderstood in my reading, but your saying that you could actually finish and broadcast Pro Res? So – other than intensive color correction and grading – there’s hardly any reason to edit in a native HD format, if Pro Rez can give you quality that matches the original HD picture?

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