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HDMI or DVI Monitor Options for HD
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[Sean ONeil] “It’s a gigantic mistake to make a blanket statement like that. I think everyone’s assuming component is just as good because of how it works on a Sony BVM or a Panasonic professional plasma.”
Sean, I’m comparing video signals. SDI and compenent out of the Kona cards both tight and clean.
I have no idea how a component signal looks when it’s input into a bad monitor or a Dell computer for that matter. Even though I have two Dell 24 Ultrasharps, I’ve never run anything except a computer video signal into them and don’t imagine I ever will.
So, buy the best monitor you can afford, hook it up with either SDI or component, and don’t sweat the signal.
David Roth Weiss
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[Don Forschmidt] ” What type of SDI or Component input monitor are you using to take the output from you KONA? “
For broadcast monitors we have Sony PVM CRT’s, for large screens, we have Panasonic Pro Plasma screens. We feed component all the way around.
You can go to any electronics store and pick up any HD screen, they still all have Component inputs on them.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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[Don Forschmidt] “I was under the impression (maybe mistakenly) that taking the SDI signal out of these cards to DVI or HDMI was somehow a cleaner HD signal. “
Nope. If you want to take the SDI output directly that’s fine, but converting it to DVI or HDMI is not any cleaner than straight SDI or Component. We’ve done tests with both and if you look at all the scopes you will see a very slight difference between the two when it comes to monitoring. But to your eye looking at the screen, there’s no difference.
That’s why we run component here, no need to spend the extra money to get SDI or HDMI inputs on our screens. We just use HDMI for our BluRay players.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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[Sean ONeil] “I have a Dell 24″ (I’m sure many of you do as well) and the component input on that is utter garbage. I also have a Samsung 40″ and while not as bad as the Dell, you can see a difference between component and HDMI.”
First off, I would NEVER use, and I never recommend, a computer LCD screen to monitor HD. I know folks do this, but we use our Dell 24″ screens for computer use only. The image from the Component inputs is just not that great.
Whenever I talk about HD screens, I’m talking about that, HD television screens. I have fed component into our Panasonic Pro Plasma Screens, Panasonic consumer plasma screens from electronics stores, Vizio consumer plasma screens and several consumer LCD screens. In all cases the component input looked like high quality HD material.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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Hello All
Just to be the annoying guy in the back of the room, let me just say that most all plasma, lcd, and whatever else kinda tv monitors that takes Component uses the SMPTE standard of Component, which is different than the Beta standard
(thanx again, SMPTE, for makin those standards standard!)In the Kona control panel, you have the choice under the “analog out” tab which component to use. In some higher end monitors, you have the same choice. Just make sure they are all the same.
Of course, if you already know this, please go on about your business….nothing to see here…..move along, move along…
bee eph
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I am also looking at HD monitoring options for my MacPro / FCP setup. Since I only work in XDCAM-EX and DVCAM, and do mostly industrials and event work, an expensive capture card like the Kona would be overkill for me. So, I am considering either the Matrox MXO / Computer monitor route or the Blackmagic Intensity (HDMI) / consumer HDTV solution. Any suggestions?
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[walter biscardi] “First off, I would NEVER use, and I never recommend, a computer LCD screen to monitor HD.””
If you can ignore the interlacing artifacts, there’s really no difference between it and a TV so long as you use the digital input.
[walter biscardi] “Whenever I talk about HD screens, I’m talking about that, HD television screens. I have fed component into our Panasonic Pro Plasma Screens, Panasonic consumer plasma screens from electronics stores, Vizio consumer plasma screens and several consumer LCD screens. In all cases the component input looked like high quality HD material.”
I’ve only tried my Samsung with SD, not HD. Component does look slightly different compared to SDI->HDMI.
Sean
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[Sean ONeil] “I’ve only tried my Samsung with SD, not HD. Component does look slightly different compared to SDI->HDMI.”
All HD screens that I’ve ever seen, except the TV-Logic 24″ ($8,000) are terrible for SD. Even our Panny Pro Plasmas. We never use them for SD as the interlacing is just terrible along with the artifacting.
That’s why it’s so important to still have true SD monitors around in the shop, even a cheap TV from an electronics store is better than the best HD plasma display when it comes to SD reproduction.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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[Chris Babbitt] “So, I am considering either the Matrox MXO / Computer monitor route or the Blackmagic Intensity (HDMI) / consumer HDTV solution. Any suggestions?”
The MXO takes up a DVI port, so that means that you either edit with one monitor and use another (Apple, Dell) monitor, or TV with component inputs (this doesn’t have HDMI) to monitor your sequence. Or you can get the Matrox TripleHead2GO and split one of the DVI ports across two monitors, then use the second for the MXO. Image on the computer monitors is a bit softer, but works.
Decklink INtensity to HDTV with HDMI would be a good option. Cheaper, doesn’t use up a DVI port…but requires a MacPro. The MXO works on a laptop, iMac…macMini (HA!)
Shane
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Thanks Shane. I currently edit with one monitor, so I have a free DVI port. With that considered, which do you think would be the better option? Is it true that HDMI will not display 24P?
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