HDLink — HD-SDI to DVI input on Sony CRT — Possible? Pros? Cons?

[Chris Borjis]

The lack of true consistent blacks in most LCD’s and the
fact they ARE ALL still 8-bit gamut, makes that hard
for me to swallow. I know Lacie just introduced one with 10-bit gamma
but it also damn slow, way slower than 16ms considered to be a maximum
without ghosting or trails.

Fortunately I can still wait awhile.

I do have and like the New Sony LCD DVI Monitors though.
They’ve got as close to a true black as I’ve ever seen.
But the contrast is kinda crazy unless you have a custom
setting for it. But you still see 8-bit banding regardless.

Where the hell are the 10-bit capable LCD displays anyway?

[Julie Marzac]

[Bob Zelin] “I am unaware of any CONSUMER CRT HD monitors on the market.”

Look here:

https://www1.bottomdollar.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=80/popup20%255B%255D=10:3//

[Chris Tomberlin]

[Bob Zelin] “Chris –
the world is changing, and it does not include CRT’s. Your “crappy looking” LCD screen is what you are going to have to use to color correct with”

Bob — I hear what you are saying. I am aware that the major manufacturers are pushing LCDs before they are ready and that more and more facilities and homes will eventually move this direction. However, the fact that CRTs will not be produced much longer doesn’t mean that everyone everywhere is going to trash the CRT they bought a couple of years ago to go buy an LCD.

[Bob Zelin] “Chris – will there ever be ONE ad agency, one corporate board room, one client of yours that will EVER view an HD show on a HD CRT?
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. So you better get used to color correcting on LCD monitors, because this is what the ENTIRE WORLD is going to own, and if you insist on color correcting on a hi grade HD CRT, it will not match what EVERYONE ELSE will see that owns a HD display.”

My specific problem here relates to color-correcting things that will end up on broadcast or cable network television. Even though the network requires the show to be mastered in HD, the vast majority of people who see it will be looking at it in standard definition on a consumer TV. Based on your argument, that is what I should be using to judge color correction, not an LCD. There are people out there who will see it on an HD LCD, just as there will be people who will see it on an HD CRT (that they bought before the LCDs got cheap) and plasma panels. My point is that NO one at home has ever seen a progam the way it was seen in the telecine, colorist or edit suite. The suites would normally have high-end, calibrated professional monitors that would not match what the folks at home would have, yet this is accepted practice. Don’t you always want to make your critical decisions on the viewing device that has the greates range, resolution, etc. and let the “lower end” suffer the consequences of being the “lower end”?

The entire world will probably go the way of the LCD, but not over night. When the LCDs are ready, I’ll be happy to get one, but I’m trying to find the best solution for the interim. From what everyone here says, that is not an LCD.

Thanks for your comments,

Chris Tomberlin
Editor/Compositor/Owner
OutPost Pictures

[Chris Tomberlin]

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts on LCD versus CRT and the state of the industry in regards to our monitoring options, but I didn’t really get an answer to the question.

Will the HDlink work with a DVI input on a CRT, or is it only for LCDs?

Thanks

Chris Tomberlin
Editor/Compositor/Owner
OutPost Pictures

[Christopher Tay]

I didn’t know there is a CRT with DVI inputs…

-chrispy

[Chris Tomberlin]

Mine is the Sony KV-34HS510. It has a “DVI-HDTV” connection on it.

Chris Tomberlin
Editor/Compositor/Owner
OutPost Pictures

[Aaron Neitz]

i think what Bob is trying to say is that there are no consumer grade CRT’s that offer all the flavors of HD. For example there’s not one set (that I’m aware of) that can do 1080p – The best sony offers the resolution but can only do it interlaced. I think the large majority of consumer HD is cuurently stuck along the lines of 720 resolution.

[Julie Marzac]

[CharlieX] “i think what Bob is trying to say is that there are no consumer grade CRT’s that offer all the flavors of HD.”

Maybe that is what he is TRYING to say.
But this is what he DID say :

“Chris – will there ever be ONE ad agency, one corporate board room, one client of yours that will EVER view an HD show on a HD CRT? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.”

I simply pointed to some HD CRT’s and questioned whether a client would never purchase one.

[Aaron Neitz]

with ya on that one.

[Brian]

I have a Sony 34″ 1080i HD CRT monitor (which I love BTW!).

To answer the initial questions, I believe that the DVI port on computer monitors carries an RGB signal while the one on monitors for video carries a YUV signal so it won’t work. You may want to check with Blackmagic on that one…

Brian