HD Pro and PPro 2.0 Big Problems!

[Shane Chadder]

I can confirm we have the firewire capture problem as well.

We’ve had a problem of NTSC DV fields (on an 8 bit timeline) playing correctly in realtime, but being backwards for anything rendered. I haven’t checked 2 for this but certainly 1.5.

We also have a problem of NTSC DV footage on an 8 bit timeline going soft when titles are overlaid in 2.0. I don’t know if I’m alone on this one.

Shane

[Imaginate]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply, Do you mean that when you add an effect the time that the effect lasts the fieldorder is wrong?

I have this in the folowing way:

When i work in a dv pal timeline captured video is ok, then when i import an uncompressed lower field first avi in the timeline the fieldorder is wrong, when i then reverse the field order it correct but then when i add for example a disolve the video stutters again on the time that the transition is used.

The above is true for avi, is i use quicktimes that come in from cliets it’s Always wrong ! Even whwn reversing the fieldorder. This is hell because i then need to use premiere pro in the native way without the decklink card on another system to work with those files. Not a very pro look toward clients either!

Bottmline is that when i use premiere with simple firewiredevice to previeuw, all possible file combinationa WORK, When the decklink card is involved my machine becomes “the hell of fieldorder pc”

I often work on q clients machine who has just a firewire preview an then finetune the edit here in my studio. This workflow isnt’t possible like this for example:

I edit a few shots and create an afer effects comp wto overlay with alpha on the clients machine, so i render out uncompressed lower field first with alpha. All works fine on the clients machine.

Then i would take the edit home and import it in a decklink timeline, well now all ae footage has the wrong field order, this isn’t a nice way to work, i could beginning reversing all the clips fieldorders but the when i add a disolve somewhere the fieldorder is again wrong on the portions where the effect is.

I hope this is read by people from decklink an actually fixed, i suffered from bad support for 2 years with canopus and dv storm and i hope i don’t have to go true this all again!

Thanks,
Dimi.

PS sorry for my bad english, i’m in belgium.

[Artefact]

i work with the multibridge extreme and do have this kind of problems too.
here is my workflow when i do some fx in after effects:
export out of the premiere timeline (blackmagic 10bit, no fields!!)
import in after effects (change the field order to progressive)
do the fx
export from after effects (blackmagic 10bit, no fields)
import in pp2, it works with the correct field order.

hope this helps

ps: my english is even worse

[Oliver Petz]

Same here…
BTW:
The ” no field oder- progressive ” workflow is not a solution for my because the most of my key/fill material( comes on digibeta tapes, captured in upper field first mode)looks different after rendering in after effects without field order. If you ignore one Field it seems as if you are working only with the half resolution. The final Clip has always this unwanted “movie look” Animations, Typos (renderd in field order mode) are looking not so “smooth” as it should be if you ignore one of the two fields.The most footage which i have to work with comes on Sony Digibeta or Beta-SP in “Upper-Field-Mode” to me, so i have to capture and work with this two fields
Sorry for my horrible english
Oli

[Imaginate]

Hi all,

I’m glad i’m not alone, i emailed my problems to decklink support.
It would be great if we all did this so that they know that this are serious problems that everyone is dealing with who edit’s dv and needs to exchange files.

thanks,
Dimi.

[Andrew Mcleod]

Hi

Firewire issue has been addressed and will be available in the next driver.

DV on an uncompressed timeline – is currently being looked at by the developers and should have a solution soon. Hopefully today.

The soft output of DV material on an 8 bit timeline I am having trouble reproducing. Please can you send the process to reproduce this bug and I will take a look at it.

Andrew

pcsupport@blackmagic-design.com

Andrew McLeod
Blackmagic Design

[Shane Chadder]

Hi Andrew

It is very easy to reproduce….I’m on an SDplus card at the moment, I’ll try the HDPro single link in a minute.

1) Make a new BM-8bit ntsc timeline.
2) Import an NTSC DV (firewire captured) clip and place it on the video track.
3) Make a title and place it over the clip.
4) In real time it looks fine. Now Render the title and you will see the resolution drops and the video shifts down a line at the cut point.

It seems like any rendering causes the softness. Even just placing a transparent clip over a frame and rendering that frame you will see the difference. Especially with an HD-LInk and 24″ Dell where softness problems are easily identified!

[Shane Chadder]

Same problem on our systems with HDPro single link.