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  • HD compression query please help

    Posted by Roli Rivelino on February 8, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    I have compressed a couple of HD files for vimeo.com and I’ve used their preferred settings which are:

    H.264 codec at size 1280×720, bit rate 3000-5000 kbits/sec (optimized for “download”), key frame every 30 frames (frame reordering on), using whatever frame rate you shot in.

    For sound, use AAC at 128kbps in stereo.

    I went for a 5000 kbits/sec.

    My video is not playing back properly and is jerky, even when you let the ‘buffer’ bar load right up, I’m watching over a pretty fast connection.

    I shot using the DVCPROHD codec, set to QT (50fps).

    I’m wondering if it is anything to do with the bit rate, whether I should reduce that, will that help?

    If it helps or anyone’s interested in seeing what I’m talking about the video is at https://vimeo.com/9065202

    many thanks.

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    Craig Seeman replied 16 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Craig Seeman

    February 8, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Looks fine to me. Played straight through without issues. I have 32,000kbps down. I didn’t check their encode but it’s usually around 2000kbps for 720p. A lot can happen though from point A to point B on the internet though.

  • Roli Rivelino

    February 8, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    OK maybe it is connection speed then I have 10MB down and it’s a complete jerkathon!

    Would you recommend reducing the bit rate for people with lower bandwidth, or does this seriously reduce quality?

    aka Newbie Wan Kenewbie. “The young Newbie, is now a Padawon.”

    System
    Mac Pro 2.8Gb quad core
    8Gb RAM
    1x 320Gb 7200 hardrive
    1x 1Tb 7200 hardrive
    Nvidia Geforce 8800 512mb Graphics card
    1x 1Tb external WD ‘My Book’ eSata

    Equipment
    Panasonic AG-HVX 200
    Firestore FS-100

  • Craig Seeman

    February 8, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    [Roli Rivelino] “OK maybe it is connection speed then I have 10MB down and it’s a complete jerkathon! “

    That should be fine though. I assume you mean 10mbps (bits not bytes otherwise you’d by flying. I get about 3.3MB down more or less).

    [Roli Rivelino] “Would you recommend reducing the bit rate for people with lower bandwidth, or does this seriously reduce quality? “

    Vimeo has complete control of the final encode bit rate. They use around 2000kbps for 720p. They have an HD on/off overlay for viewers who need lower bandwidth.

  • Daniel Low

    February 8, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Yea, it’s jerky for me too and I’m on a clean 50Mb/s connection, Mac Pro. It looks jerky even once it’s all loaded. (located in UK)

    Vimeo has possibly encoded it badly, try resubmitting it again.

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  • Craig Seeman

    February 8, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    but looks great here in NYC.
    That’s why I’m wondering if it’s another issue. I’d have Vimeo support staff check it.

  • Daniel Low

    February 8, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Hmmmm – if I switch to the HTML5 version it’s much better, still getting a nasty stutter on the credits mind you.

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  • Craig Seeman

    February 9, 2010 at 12:05 am

    So maybe there’s Flash demons about.

    I’ve got 10.0.42.34 installed. Here’s check link.
    https://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
    This link will work as well
    https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

    It crashes periodically though but that’s obvious when it does that.

  • Roli Rivelino

    February 9, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Yeah, I’ve got the same version of flash as you Craig, I will check it out with Vimeo support, I would try resubmitting but it happened with the other HD videos I’ve got up there as well and I’m sure it’s happened on someone else’s HD movie I’ve watched on there. Strange that it seems to work well in the US and not the UK though.

    Anyway any more thoughts welcome and thanks for your time on this guys.

    UPDATE: I just did a trouble shoot on vimeo and found out it’s their fault, guess I shouldn’t have been so quick to blame myself and done that first 🙂

    Once again thanks guys

    aka Newbie Wan Kenewbie. “The young Newbie, is now a Padawon.”

    System
    Mac Pro 2.8Gb quad core
    8Gb RAM
    1x 320Gb 7200 hardrive
    1x 1Tb 7200 hardrive
    Nvidia Geforce 8800 512mb Graphics card
    1x 1Tb external WD ‘My Book’ eSata

    Equipment
    Panasonic AG-HVX 200
    Firestore FS-100

  • Craig Seeman

    February 9, 2010 at 1:11 am

    [Roli Rivelino] “Strange that it seems to work well in the US and not the UK though. “
    Maybe not so strange at all. I’ve seen what appears to be similar issues in the Vimeo forums. User sees dropped frames from one location but others don’t in another location. This obviously isn’t consistent though.

    One thing to try is
    https://www.speedtest.net/
    Of course this only helps if you know where their servers are but I’m under the impression they may be in New York which may partially explain the issue.

    Just guessing at this point but I’ve seen others with similar complaints.

  • Daniel Low

    February 9, 2010 at 6:29 am

    [Craig Seeman] “One thing to try is
    https://www.speedtest.net/

    This is not an issue with the connection, it’s a problem with the transcode.

    The jerking/stuttering appears even after the video has downloaded

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