Having issue doing 3D warp on title key

[Paul Ingvarsson]

Hi Jason,

If you option drag an effect oto a title you will certainly get the results you describe. Unfortunately this is the rubbish way Avid MC range works with multiple effects on clips.

What you need to do is step inside the title and apply the highlight effect to the fill layer of your title. Render this effcet when you are inside the title – then when you step out you are able to play the title in realtime.

The other possible workaround (I’m not sure I fully understand your desired results would be to experiment with saving off your 3d title parameters as a ‘without source’ effect clip (option drag the effect icon from the effects editor to a bin). You can then apply any complicated animations to a 3d matte key or 3d warp layer. This helps because rather than using 1 effect to control 2 layers you duplicate the effect parameters onto 2 seperate layers – hopefully avoiding locking the title to the video as you described.

Hope this helps,

Paul

Freelance DS/Symphony
London

[Oliver Peters]

You should just be able to “promote” the title to 3D. In the effect editor, the lower right corner of the UI should have an icon of a cube with 3D in it. Click that and you have now promoted the title effect. You should now be able to manipulate it independent of the background.

Sincerely,
Oliver

Oliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Jason Brown]

Neither of these suggestions worked…I already had to promote the title to 3D to get the highlight effect capability. Then to duplicate that effect, I had to save the effect (ctl + drag = without source) the clip to a bin. So now I have the desired effect without source. I tried stepping in and applying it to the fill layer, and it did nothing…if I monitor just that layer, it says “wrong format”. I can’t seem to duplicate the highlight effect on a matte key any other place on the screen than I originally did it.

-Jason

[Paul Ingvarsson]

Jason,

Have a go at explainnig what you want to achieve again in more detail – there may still be a way to do what you want!

Paul

Freelance DS/Symphony
London

[Jason Brown]

OK…

I appreciate all the help, I’ll try to explain it as best as I can.

I have a title…the word “Loyalty” that I have created in the title Key. I promoted the title to 3D and did a highlight effect on it, the highlight effect is keyframed to change over time. I now want to do the exact same highlight effect on a different word in a different location.

(the second word comes over different video…not on the screen at the same time)

This is my desired effect. Thanks in advance for the help!

-Jason

[Paul Ingvarsson]

OK Try this,

Mark your title in the timeline – press option-c this copies your title with highlight to the source monitor – move to the timecode you want and overwrite onto a different video track. This gives you two copies of the same word ‘Loyalty’. Now just edit the caption of the second instance into a different position and overtype what you want it to say.

Is that what you were after?!

Paul

Freelance DS/Symphony
London

[Jason Brown]

I was able to do everything you suggested, the title keyed correctly, moved without affecting the video…BUT my problem is with the highlight.

Here’s my problem. I create the word in the upper left corner…move the highlight from left to right across the word. Works fine. BUT when I want that same highlight move (even on the same word — just to simplify) the highlight is referenced to the frame…not to the word. So if I move the word to the bottom left, the highlight doesn’t even come to that part of the frame.

Any ideas?

[Todd Beabout]

If you have Marquee, that would probably be a much simpler way of doing things, although a long render.

I know exactly what you are talking about, and I can’t think of a good workaround. Locking the effect to the underlying clip is one of the most annoying things with Avid, but can also be used to your advantage in certain situations (like putting an effect on an empty layer of video above everything affects all layers underneath… sometimes useful).

One other possibility: If you have Sapphire, try the S_MakeRGB, then alt-drag a lighting effect (not sure which one to use in your case), keyframe that, then alt-drag S_Layer. Don’t know if you have Sapphire though…

Hope this helps.

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios

[Paul Ingvarsson]

OK – I’ve got it, i’m sure this is the solution!

Basically you need to ditch the highlight using the 3d dve page, besides that method doesn’t yield the best results in my opinion.

Create your title without the highlight – but make the word as big as the tv frame in the title tool.

Promote this title to 3d and position/scale it where you want it to go in the frame – it still wont have a highlight as yet.

Now step inside this effect and place a paint effect on the fill track of the title – this paint effect must exist where (in time) you want the highlight to be. In the paint effect make a white shape with feathered edges and move this shape across the whole frame left to right ( i find a tall rectangle with a slight rotation is best for this) animate this for the duration of the highlight this is best done with add edits restricting the duartion of the effect so you dont have to render the whole fill track. Once this is rendered save the effect to a bin and step out of the effect.

You should be able to play your text beck in realtime now!

Now copy this clip as described before to a different section of your timeline and modify the new title to say the next word you want. Be warned you will have to re-place the highlight effect to the fill of the new title because upon re=generation it loses nested effects. You should still see the add edits in the title fill though so you should be able to just drop the highlight effect onto your fill track again in the right place!

Your job is probably finished now though – so I hope this helps,

Paul

Freelance DS/Symphony
London

[Jason Brown]

Hey Paul…

You’re a freakin’ genious…job was done a long time ago, but I couldn’t stop trying to figure it out! I hate when I can’t do something that I know I SHOULD be able to do.

Thanks for the info…your idea did work, starting with a title full screen, doing a 3D warp placement on it, then doing paint on the fill track. Then just changing the word…changing placement and paint follows word. Awesome!

Love this forum!

-Jason