Has Premiere killed Vegas pro?

[Norman Willis]

I dunno. I have not bought CS5 yet, so maybe I don’t meet your criteria; but as far as CS5 ‘killing’ Vegas Pro, I really doubt it.

I have had (and still have) some complaints with Vegas, and so I shopped the options fairly hard: but when I stopped to think about it, I realized that Vegas has pretty much everything I need, either native or in plug-in form, and for a whole lot less than CS5. And it really is very easy to use. And the Vegas COW forum is the best.

I’d like to see lots more native 3D FX, or a Sony-made 3D effects add-on (comparable to After Effects, and/or Boris RED). And I think it is backwards that Sony does not support P2 (because limiting support is not how one dominates an industry); but all in all, at least so far, and perhaps speaking only for myself, I have stopped looking at other NLE’s. The grass just isn’t greener anywhere else.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org

[Joel Mielle]

It seems that Adobe likes to take over the industry with quality products and aggressive marketing . They did it in print and web, why not video. I’m a long time fan of Sony Vegas, I absolutely love editing with it. My only issue is the way it’s perceived in the industry and not many high end professionals seem to use Vegas. I don’t like the color grading in Vegas, although you can get around that with Magic bullets looks. I’m a big fan of After effects, if it would only link better with Vegas, it would be perfect. I don’t really want to learn another package but then again I don’t want to be left behind. I’m just wondering what Sony has up their sleeve for the next Vegas version. I have three weeks to make up my mind. With 1 terrabyte of 1080p footage to cut, I need something damn stable!!!

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[Norman Willis]

>> My only issue is the way it’s perceived in the industry and not many high end professionals seem to use Vegas.

Well, if popularity/acceptance is your main concern, then why not use FCP? (But then, who really cares what other people think?)

>> I’m just wondering what Sony has up their sleeve for the next Vegas version. I have three weeks to make up my mind.

Is Sony planning to release Vegas 10.0 in three weeks time? But even if they are, I am not sure I would trust 1TB of high-value footage to an x.0 release. (I have learned the hard way.)

>>I have three weeks to make up my mind. With 1 terrabyte of 1080p footage to cut, I need something damn stable!!!

It sounds like this is your real main concern. And I share it with you. Nothing else matters if the system is not stable. But lots of guys have stable boxes. What is your detailed hardware config? Could that be your real issue?

I am doing great on 9.0e, but I had all sorts of issues with a, b and c (and somehow I missed d altogether, but I understand it had lots of problems).

How is 9.0e doing for you? Is it stable on your machine? And how about running a test with these big files, maybe make a whole bunch of quick dummy cuts and slap on a ton of dummy FX, and render it out (just to see how it behaves)? Then you can see if it is going to be stable, or if it is going to fall over on you.

It is just a thought.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org

[Joel Mielle]

I’m running Vista 64bit with dual Xeon quad core workstation @ 2.80ghz with 8gig ram. Plus the NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700 card.

I have two striped drives for my editing and then data drives.

All seems to work fine and 1080P looks incredible and plays in real time without effects in full quality. My only issue is the amount of crashes. Every 5 minutes it hangs up on me. It never did that on my older system.

Vegas is version 9.0D

Another issue is that sometimes all my clips turn green! On my older 32 bit system this happened once in a blue moon but they used to be red.

So yeah, these issues are a real concern to me. I understand that crashes are inevitable with any machine and Final Cut pro also excels at it, but every five minutes is ridiculous.

I understand I need more ram but these crashes occur by just simply playing a basic timeline.

Any suggestions?

Filmmaker http://www.sixlovers.com

[Al Bergstein]

Joel, these kind of crashes do not happen on my similar Windows 7 64 bit machine. I’ve just done a simple time line of over 1 hour on Vegas, no problems.

I would suspect there is something wrong with your hardware. Since I don’t have striped drives, I would start there with my suspicions. See if you can do a simple timeline like you state, with no striping. Also, check to make sure you downloaded the 64 bit version, as it’s easy to download the wrong version. I did it and had problems that instantly went away when I downloaded the 64 bit version. Are your crashes blue screens of death or just that Vegas ends without warning? If the machine is actually hanging up (ie. locking up and then needing a full reboot), I would *highly* suspect the hardware, maybe even the memory being root cause. A bad drive controller or motherboard could also cause this. Unlikely it’s your video card. And likely you will have the same problem with Adobe. Best of luck.

Alf

[Norman Willis]

Joel, I have C:\ and D:\ both striped in Raid 0 (two disks each). I had no end of problems with 9.0a, b and c. (I was out of the loop for 9.0d, but I understand it was even worse.) However, I have had no problems with 9.0e. None. Nada. Zip. I just edited a two hour project, and maybe one crash (but that one was my fault).

When 10.0 comes out, it is going to have to be really, really good before I will trade up. So how about trying 9.0e, both x32 and x64, and see how they work? (Might as well start with something free 🙂

I am told, by the way, that Raid 0 striped on C:\ does not really help all that much, so just as soon as I finish with this project I plan to put D:\ in RAID 5 with three disks, and backup C:\ externally. Please let us know how it goes.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org

[Ken Bennett]

This all concerns me very much. I’m new to Vegas coming from 20 years using Video Toaster and seeing their SpeedEDIT slowly dying. I’m now trying to start all new projects in Vegas Pro 9.0e but having problems with my current project (read my posts “Why Does Vegas Captured Clips Crash..”). If Vegas is going to end up following VT into the ground, I’d like to know before I invest much more time and energy into learning Vegas. Most of that will depend if my problems can be solved. If 25% of my clips are going to be crashing Vegas, I gotta find a better NLE.

I do have Premiere CS4. Never used. Never even opened it up. But I have it and I can get CS5 if this is actually a better NLE. But before I do something like that, I want to give Vegas a chance.

Ken

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[Norman Willis]

Ken,

I am a relative newcomer to Vegas, but from what I am told, many people thought that it was a far better NLE back when it was owned by Sonic Foundry. There has been some disgruntlement since it was taken over by Sony, but Sony recently announced that they would be trying to make it a ‘truly professional’ NLE, and would be trying to take over the market. We’ll see. I had a lot of problems with 9.0a, b and c (and missed d). 9.0e for me is very solid. I am sorry to hear that you are not having as happy an experience.

A lot of people find that hardware has a lot to say about whether Vegas is stable, or not. The consensus seems to be that if you get Intel-standard everything, you cannot lose; and if you veer from that, you are taking your chances.

If I may ask, what is your hardware config? And who manufactures your parts? And are you running x32 or x64?

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org

[Chuck Pullen]

To answer Joel’s original question, “No Joel Premiere didn’t kill Vegas, SONY DID!”

I have been using Vegas since almost the very beginning. Every version promises more, and comes up very short. This last version has me finally fed up enough to switch completely. I just spent a lot of money to upgrade my system to 64 bit to take advantage of all of the new features and abilities that Sony claims 9.0 has. Just about every damn thing I do causes Vegas to crash! This system has been checked out by multiple people, I have rebuilt it and reinstalled Vegas multiple times, E-mailed Sony MANY times with no helpful response. I finally decided to upgrade to CS5, buy a Quadro card, and damn is it sweet!

Now don’t get me wrong, I really miss the idea of editing Vegas, but at the end of the day I, like you, can’t afford to use something that is going to constantly crash, fail to live up to it’s promises, create stress and cause setbacks, all of which costs me money…Buy a Quadro and give CS5 a chance!

[Joel Mielle]

My striped drives are separate to the C drive, they are two striped into one and they do work well. I can preview in full high def using the black magic extreme card through HDMI on a sony 1080p monitor with dissolves, color grade all in real time. It’s not my hardware, it’s Vegas and they keep getting my error report sent to them every 5 minutes. my system was designed by the company who handles the Australian defense force animation computers and all the components are of the same highest grade. Nothing else ever crashes and I put After Effects through the grinder for hours on end without a hiccup. That’s why I believe that Adobe is more stable. I however just downloaded the Vegas 9.0e version and played around for half an hour so far without crashing or green clips! Regardless this new version has to prove itself or I will be switching to Premiere CS5. As Apple is focusing more on ipads and iphone and less on Final cut Pro, it’s another reason why I believe Premiere has a very strong future been abble to work across both platforms. Are there any rumors or news of what’s to be expected in Vegas 10? it better be a major update or they will be left behind! Despite my gripes I love working with Sony Vegas, but it’s not a matter of what I like but what actually works for me. If I was starting again, I would go CS5.

Filmmaker http://www.sixlovers.com