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Hard Drive Camera for Final Cut Pro
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[Wayne Carey] “Ok, Jeremy… what do you use for backup of your P2 media?”
SATA drives, 2 per BU. The DP gives me one, he keeps another for the archives. 250 Gig drives are ultra cheap. Cheaper than BluRay, even. The p2 cards are not BU devices, they are an intermediate. That’s what people seem to misunderstand.
Jeremy
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For backups, I’m hoping this solution will come around soon:
https://www.inphase-technologies.com/products/professional/download/DataSheet_MEDIA.pdf
https://www.engadget.com/2007/02/13/inphase-300gb-holographic-storage-solution-out-the-door/ -
I have to add my 2 cents. P2 has its advantages and disadvantages. You do not need to buy hundred of thousands of dollars worth of cards to be productive. With the correct workflow, you can get by with using only two to three cards. 16GB and 32GB cards are coming soon. Price will come down drastically. Come April, HPX500 camera will be the camera of choice.
Steve Eisen
Eisen Video Productions
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q[Cade Cruickshank] “other application is student video projects and web video.”
Don’t forget you don’t have to capture HD resolution with these things. For student and web video you can shoot DV25/50 resolution and squeeze a lot more on the cards. If your equipment budget is an annual expenditure then definately tape stock will factor into the cost here. For the average guy who picks up media as he needs it it’s not that big a deal but how much is your facility spending now annually on tape? Any one who consumes a lot of tape annually will appreciate the cost of P2. The new cameras coming out with the AVC-I codec option will squeeze twice as much HD on these cards too. The future of P2 looks bright.
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[JeremyG] “The p2 cards are not BU devices, they are an intermediate. That’s what people seem to misunderstand.”
I know exactly what you are saying… But my point is that hard drives fail all of the time. You just never know when one will crap out on you, and here’s the biggest problem… if you leave a hard drive on the shelf for any length of time, they will die. I know… we tried to archive something a couple of years ago on a LaCie hard drive and let it set for a few months… the drive is now a door stop and luckily the client is no longer working with us.
Hard drive are also an intermediate device. Just pull one of your old projects off of the shelf and try to use it. I bet you that the drive will not work much more than mounting, if it mounts at all.
I’m not trying to start a flame war, but I am trying to warn and educate people that hard drives are not a long range storage medium, they are short term.
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[Wayne Carey] “I’m not trying to start a flame war, but I am trying to warn and educate people that hard drives are not a long range storage medium, they are short term.”
Really? I had a buddy who’s laCie Porsche drive fail on him just last week. He called LaCie, they said to send it in, they will replace it and he will lose all of his media. This was a storage drive for him for his many pictures of his travels around the world shooting video. He could not lose these pictures. So i told him that if he doesn’t mind losing the enclosure, his data will probably be okay. He bought a $30 enclosure, I swapped the drive out for him and wallah, the drive mounted with all of his data in tact. The drive didn’t fail, but the enclosure did.
What kind of lacie are you talking about? Is it a disk with two or more drives? If so, then yeah, we had one of those go down as well and lost that drive for a while. Repair from LaCie was even worse as the drive was formatted for 500Gigs when it was supposed to be 1TB. Crappy service from LaCie if you ask me. If you are running a raid, with raid 0, you are pushing your luck with data security and raid0 is not a long term archive solution. The data is nearly impossible to recover as it’s fragmented all over the place on two or more drives and very hard to reconstruct. Data on a single UnRAIDED bare drive (PATA or SATA) is pretty secure. There’s no enclosure to worry about, there’s no raid structure to worry about, and if the drive starts to fail, there’s a good chance you can use it long enough to copy media off it (not everytime of course, but for the most part I have found this to be true). They only total unrecoverable drives I have seen in my day are drives that are part of a RAID 0 set and end up in total loss. I am not saying a bare hard drive is the perfect solution, but it’s a pretty good one until something else comes out like this holographic storage or whatever it is.
Jeremy
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The LaCie drives that we HAD were the older style with firewire 400/800 ports only. Most all of them have died. They were somewhere between three and four years old. While I do know that drives don’t last forever, DVDs almost certainly do or at least are more reliable.
Now, we are using the TerraBlock system with Dual-Layer DVDs for backup. Works great!
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Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
http://www.schazamproductions.com
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