Giving Up

[Jeffrey Carter]

I’ve heard that there are continual problems with JVC HDV decks (I have a DV3000 – some problems, but does work with DV footage).

Try using a generic firewire in (with no deck control). I use a Firestore to avoid the tape hassles. Your best option, if you can afford it, is to use that or similar hard disk recorder.

“I’ve never been there but the brochure looks nice.”

[Mike Maloney]

Thanks for that, I’ll disconnect the deck control. Never know.

Mike Maloney

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[Scott Sheriff]

“I have just about given up on capturing anything more than by using “capture now” on the BSR-50 Deck using a JVC GY-HD110 camera. More than 2 clips and the machine just won’t read time code any continually throws errors at me. Slowing down work time considerably. I had the problems initially with anything that was HD content, now regular Firewire SD content throws the machine into spasms. And of course with capture “NOW” anything with a timecode break renders rigor mortis into the captures.

Any suggestions on how to cure this evil?”

I wish you would include some specifics as to your platform, workflow, and what exactly is the problem.
IMHO 99% of HDV problems are ‘pilot error’, of some type. That would include not understanding the nature of HDV GOP, unrealistic expectations, etc.
It would be nice to know what tape stock you are using, once again I’m pointing out that if you expect help, details of exactly what has been done are essential.
Have you tried searching this forum? These type of issues and potential solutions have been covered ad nauseam.
I have both the 110U and BR-50, and have had no problems whatsoever capturing HDV via FW in the last 4 years.

Scott Sheriff
Director
SST Digital Media
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

[Scott Sheriff]

Jeffrey
“I’ve heard that there are continual problems with JVC HDV decks (I have a DV3000 – some problems, but does work with DV footage).”

That is anecdotal evidence of a non-existent problem, and is just flaming a product you don’t use or own. It would be better to stick with facts when posting a work-around for a ‘know issue’ based on YOUR experience.

I have both the above mentioned JVC products, and have no problems with either one.
As I said in responding to the original poster on this thread, there is a lot of user caused errors that are being written off as bad gear. There is a major lack of information in the workflow, materials, troubleshooting steps, etc in the original thread, and know way to be sure that is indeed an equipment failure. Just because someone badmouths a piece of gear, is not a conclusive fact that said gear is faulty.

Scott Sheriff
Director
SST Digital Media
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

[Ken Jones]

Are you using Final Cut Pro? My deck isn’t a JVC, but I have a Sony HVR-1500 HDV deck and it won’t capture reliably to FCP via either firewire or HD-SDI/RS422. On the other hand, it will capture perfectly to Premiere every time, 100% of the time.

[Mike Maloney]

Be happy to give you a run down.

First, Camera is the JVC GY110.
Second the Deck is the BSR – 50.
I use a KONA LH card for capture.
I always use a Firestore now, which eliminates most of these issues, but I still periodically must go back to tape if the Firestore didn’t get programmed correctly. We also shoot both.

We used FCP 6.06, Mac G5, 8 Gb Ram. 2.7 dual processors, etc, with SATA 2 TB Drive for capture.2

In attemtpting to capture several clips, the BSR usually goes into a Non capture mode after the first clip. Whatever that clips name is slated as, it will contine to capture, almost randomly with all the clips with a numeric code after each clips such as “Dancing Clip” Dancing Clip-1, Dancing Clip -2, etc. overwriting what would have been the original capturing editors dialog.

This has been used primarily with component out of the machine and deck control. We prefer this method and, it’s the only method allowing us to work in HD. Capture in HD is essentially the same.

I have been able to take my same tape and drop into my older SONY DVCAM deck and capture successfully with firewire on most projects. But that machine has limitations and will not allow HD captures.

The machine has NOT always done this. In fact, when we first installed the unit, we could capture without error all day…..progressively this problem has become worse over time.

So, we capture, when necessary with “capture” now, one clip at a time and must retitle each clip.

Not sure if you thought I was flaming JVC because I am not. I am merely frustrating with the deck as it is not peforming as it should. I have contacted JVC 2 times about this problem and they insist that there is nothing wrong with my machine rather in my set up.

But while set up has a little to do with capture, repeated time code breaks, or errors in finding time code when they are clearly on the tape and can be read by another machine are a machine problem.
And yes, I’ve cleaned the heads.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks for any wisdom.

Mike Maloney

Mike Maloney
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[Mike Maloney]

Oh, Tape Stock was mentioned: JVC ProHd for HD/DV. We use exclusively.

Mike Maloney
Maloney Marketing Group
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[Ken Jones]

Have you tried capturing using the AJA VTR Xchange application? What kind of results do you get with it?

I don’t have an AJA card. I have a Blackmagic Decklink HD Extreme and a Sony HVR-1500. My experience has been that FCP will not capture HDV clips reliably. On the other hand, the Blackmagic Media Express application and Adobe Premiere will both capture HDV perfectly, 100% of the time.

Oddly enough, FCP will capture Mini-DV and DVCAM perfectly, 100% of the time.

[Mike Maloney]

I had not tried the AJA VTR Exchange until today. Works satisfactorily, somewhat surprising flexibility. Could be an easy answer to other issues in capture. Anxious to try some HD 24p.

Mike Maloney

Mike Maloney
Maloney Marketing Group
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beartoothrecording.com
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[Ken Jones]

You can view some of my previous posts. Even though I use a different deck and capture card it might shed some light on your situation.

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1007581#1007581

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1075613#1075627