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FYI, the blog FCPX on-air posts will be posted in the FCPX Techniques forum
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Yes I use the mixer (software and outboard) all the time — in every program FCP 7, Premiere Pro and Avid — it’s far easier to finesse a music duck and bring it up in real time than tediously placing control points….drawing in dips and peaks..playing…no not quite…try again……the mixer lets you do it in one pass and hit undo if it doesn’t work.
…the Vocal Rider looks promising – does it work inside FCPX?
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
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[Andy Field] “does it work inside FCPX?”
Tech specs say it does. The current price of $300, however, says i’ll be using key framing for a while yet. 😉
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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
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[Chris Harlan] “I think this forum HAS served its primary purpose, as least as I see it. Few people will mistake the editing program called FCP X for an upgraded version of another NLE suite, the soon to be defunct FCS. I think everyone can see that they are very different animals now, and frankly, that is what has always been important to me–that people’s choices are clear. I think the point has been made.
“agreed – I just popped back in to push back at craig a bit – I think he overdoes it a little, and he has done the “coming up next on the BBC via my FCPX” quite a few times now. This is on some level a debate forum, I went to go push back. The thing I find a little irritating is the passive agressive nature of those proposing the software – when someone kicks back they’re all wringing their hands at the negativity of it all – its a point of view they don’t agree with – and this forum isn’t anyone’s – theirs or anyone else’s – if anyone gets out of bounds, I have no doubt the cow will drop on them.
bar that – its a debate forum – its in the title. I argued Craig to get a little more specific, I don’t think he particularly he did, and I looked to call him on it.
Mind you – having Bill Davies of all people bemoaning supposed negativity and agressive debate – that takes the biscuit – all of the biscuits and the tin containing them.
Still – all of the arguments have been made at this point – the forum probably does need some kind of reshaping – there are a lot of people on here who really know what they are talking about and we get some great threads. The time of fire breathing threads really should be gone at this point.
last point? I watched Johns series – it was great. One thing struck me – he rejects projects near completely, and isn’t actually willing to work in the primary.
I’ll say nothing to that but seriously – that says something about both the timeline, and the project organisational structure of the software – one of its biggest fans, is in effect, working around the margins of the software.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Thanks man. And I apologize if I offended you with the 20 paragraphs thing.
I should probably do a tutorial on the tutorial where I can show how much we used the magnetic to great effect on the tutorial itself. It does have its uses and in reality I don’t want to lose it, but my brain just likes to work outside of a magnetic timeline when I’m in the promo zone. Some people take great offense that I don’t stay in primary in our promo. It doesn’t seem to have an effect on the final product so in my mind it’s not a big deal.
One trick I didn’t touch on was splicing up the gap clip in primary to move things around, create spaces, etc. That can be pretty useful in and of itself. Considering the changes that came with 10.0.6 and how it completely revised how we work with compounds, I think what I’ve been pushing for in regards to minimizing primary in some fashion is within the realm of possibility for future versions of X. Pre 10.0.6 we had tons and tons of projects as versions and it started getting sloppy, even with folders. Now with new the CC format it’s neat and clean.
It’s not for everybody but I think it’s cool how the app is progressing. Tricks like using generators for custom client slates or building motion themes for rough cut graphics keep me up at night – in a good way.
Anyways, thanks again. Let’s hug it out, ok?
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[John Davidson] “I apologize if I offended you with the 20 paragraphs thing.”
yes, I do appear to be touchy about my verbose, insanely long winded posts. As I like to say “its not a post unless you need to scroll down to finish it.”
[John Davidson] “I should probably do a tutorial on the tutorial where I can show how much we used the magnetic to great effect on the tutorial itself.”
yes – I got insanely curious watching the timelapse of the promo build – I replayed that quite a bit – I’ve done a fair whack of promos like that too – radio edit to get shape, and draft graphics and that. I don’t do promos as much as I used to – but I’m supposed to be doing a horror series promo on friday – that I am looking forward to no end.
[John Davidson] “Considering the changes that came with 10.0.6 and how it completely revised how we work with compounds, I think what I’ve been pushing for in regards to minimizing primary in some fashion is within the realm of possibility for future versions of X.”
that I really liked – seeing the versioned edit sequences neatly flowing into the comp keyword tickled my fancy no end. The smart collection attribute selections really are killer.
Basically putting the projects/sequences up there in the browser via CC seems a really nice solution. That said, if apple were to listen to the likes of yourself actually gunning the software – they might consider alterations to the timeline to allow for promo-style scenarios: where the in anger editor is currently inclined to stay away from the primary – that really should tell them something maybe?[John Davidson] “Tricks like using generators for custom client slates or building motion themes for rough cut graphics keep me up at night – in a good way.”
god absolutely – for corporate stuff even – I always thought that the ability to deploy controlled type colour GFX options would be immensely beneficial for client brand control – I had a warble about that a while ago. there is literally nothing out there like the motion rigging paradigm in FCPX.
again – cheers for the run down John – it was very informative, and a laugh to watch, the music interludes were a treat. I’ve bought and paid for my copy of the thing, if FCPX ever does start to appear over here, I’m likely to steal from the series wholesale.
and so awkward bro-fist type carry on.
Also – at least you got to meet Al Gore – I got to meet (sort of) George W. Bush. I would much prefer the former.
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https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Definitely. If someone declares “this is the way this business is, or is going to be,” and you, as a professional don’t see it that way, you have every right–and, perhaps, responsibility–to make clear your disagreement. People who look to our ramblings to help them form some vaguely accurate picture of the workplace deserve that.
I DO understand why FCP X users bristle because of this forum, and their is probably validity in the complaint that there is no “or not” forum for any other NLE. It tends to color what has become a general debate forum on the future of NLEs and the businesses around them. Maybe if the name were gone, the defenders would not feel so offended.
As to the odd double standard you mention; yes, I’ve experienced it myself. Frankly, I think all of the harsh criticism that X has received over the last year and a half as been very good for it. I know that the faithful tend to be one with the notion that Apple had and will always have a Pro plan for FCP, and that if we can’t see it… Well, we just don’t have enough faith. I don’t believe that. I believe “the Pro in all of us” is the driving force behind X, and that if there hadn’t been such an outcry FCP X would be nowhere near where it is today. I know that the COW has just been one of many tiny squeaky wheels, but I think all of the rants and ALL CAPS discussions have been important.
Where are you now by the way? Is it Avid or Premiere? Or both? It’s both for me, though I’m liking Avid so much more than I ever thought I would. And, hey–maybe someday X; I keep watching it.
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[Charlie Austin] “[Andy Field] “does it work inside FCPX?”
Tech specs say it does. The current price of $300, however, says i’ll be using key framing for a while yet. 😉
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It looks wild, though. I was chopping up a bunch of dia when the post came in last night, which doubled my appreciation of how lovely such a thing would be. If it really works.
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[Chris Harlan] “Where are you now by the way? Is it Avid or Premiere? Or both?”
er, thats an excellent question Chris, I’m really glad you asked me that – while it is an ever changing something something…
ahem – To say London is tip toeing around the issue of FCP is an understatement – the degree to which the playing field is unaltered at my level – I would not have bet a fiver on it eighteen months ago.
also I’m lazy. I’ve got CS6 for about 6 months now – premiere I’m nearly cocky about, although I haven’t tried that hard – It feels largely comfortable, and all the stuff in terms of gui conventions and effects handling I know from AE, the stuff that might be strange for other editors feels largely like home for me (who doesn’t love what the tilde key does?) **FCPX snark there**
I feel reasonably confident about PPro – I personally think it about should be the sucessor to FCP: it seems to have the same broad intentions in terms of the market. There was always a large swathe of the editing market effectively waiting for an FCP to appear.
I would argue PPro is the once and future FCP. Relatively cheap, pro focused, fully tooled(ish).Avid on the other hand – I just started doing some real long form there recently (in FCP7), but I don’t feel avid is likely to stray too far from its natural habitat. And in London that is pockets in long form and the really deadly serious business for the major broadcasters and narrative.
Again: I’m lazy, and unlike yourself and many others, I lack a previous Avid hinterland. A lot of Avid still spells steampunk crazy to me? mental block.
[Chris Harlan] “Frankly, I think all of the harsh criticism that X has received over the last year and a half as been very good for it.”
you would hope right? – outside forays into hissyfits, said someone who never had one – we’re on a public forum, and I’ve genuinely pretty much been in this for pranging apple’s bumper as far as gnat impact bellowing will allow.
whatever else, this forum has definitely delivered its share of heat and light.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[John Godwin] “Jihads and Jermiahads about the FCPX apocalypse, however, jumped the snark some time ago. They say much more about the person posting than the product.”
So, should we fight fire with fire?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “So, should we fight fire with fire?”
No, not really. We – I – should have more class than that. I usually regret posting something snarky within 5 minutes. But sometimes my patience wears thin, and, despite my best efforts, I’m only human. I do think “jumped the snark” is pretty funny, otherwise, though.
I don’t object to specific complaints about FCPX, not that my objections carry any particular weight here. I sometimes am foolish enough to take the bait and, for that and any other offense, I’m sorry.
And I particularly admire your patience and good cheer through all of this.
Best,
John
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