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FYI, the blog FCPX on-air posts will be posted in the FCPX Techniques forum
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “in the silly slap-fest that seems to have ensued.”
Geez, I’m already WAY too old for Cochilla, so the thought of attending slap-fest is, like, totally out of the question.
“Oh, yeah. Bill, you’re a ninja slap-fest master and you know it. 3rd Degree black belt, I do believe.
[Bill Davis] “BTW, I really like your new picture. It’s kinda comforting to joust with a human as opposed to an anthropomorphized ornament. Well done sir!
“I only put the Christmas ornament up because I was following Jeremy’s command.
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[Herb Sevush] “. Come here to proselytize and be prepared for a rotten tomato every now and then,”
I would have hoped we moved well beyond that.
A good portion of this forum has been about software and hardware design and implementation. Tracks vs magnetism and roles for example, Events and Keywords vs traditional projects and bins, persistent in/out points vs ranged favorites, computer hardware design needed for NLE or broader post environment.
None of this need be hostile. Seeing real world case studies as per Craig Slattery, John Davidson, Oliver Peters, Bill Davis. Tony West and others illuminate both the advantages and challenges, opening a discussion on whether FCPX’s “new paradigm” is better, worse, just different and how we see and experience it.
I don’t think this falls neatly into “techniques” since it’s not simply “how to” but “how it impacts” post production.
That it has often devolved into derogatory comments on the editor or the software developers detracts from the discussion IMHO. It certainly may discourage lurkers from sharing their experiences.
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I think most of us are guilty of helping to throw some of these discussions wildly off topic and let them devolve into arguments.
It’s the new year. FCP X is what it is. Maybe we should all work a little harder at keeping the comments – both praise and complaints – substantive. At the same time, if someone really likes a feature or it frustrates him, let’s recognize those are matters of taste, workflow and style. Let’s not immediately pull the fanboy or dunce card.
There are clearly many ways users can use the software and the Apple engineers themselves haven’t finished tinkering. By the same token, FCP X IS different and requires some relearning when people try to master it.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “I think most of us are guilty of helping to throw some of these discussions wildly off topic and let them devolve into arguments.”
The OT bit is what makes this place so fascinating
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I think they should take FCPX and Apple off the forum name. Otherwise it’s a trap for people unfamiliar with the fact that this room is essentially the pinball machine from “The Accused”.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[Craig Seeman] “Craig Slattery mentions other editors gaining interest and then that’s refuted. That kind of response is too common.”
I really don’t want to get into this whole thing, because I think its all a ridiculous argument, but to be fair, I don’t think you are representing Craig’s relationship to either X or this forum accurately. Craig is VERY enthusiastic about X, and, in his enthusiasm, has made some rather bold statements about the future of X. He goes a good bit beyond talking about how useful it is or how much he likes or how well it works for him to making some strong prognostications about its future. And, these prognostications, whether insightful or full of fancy, are often put forward with an emphasis that I, personally, would hesitate to attach to the hypothetical. And, that’s okay. There’s a lot of hyperbole here. But, making those kind of statements opens you up for challenge. And, challenge is what he got. He seems pretty tough to me; I think he can handle it.
I think this forum HAS served its primary purpose, as least as I see it. Few people will mistake the editing program called FCP X for an upgraded version of another NLE suite, the soon to be defunct FCS. I think everyone can see that they are very different animals now, and frankly, that is what has always been important to me–that people’s choices are clear. I think the point has been made.
The best part of this forum has mutated into something well beyond “X or not,” and we might now be nearing the time to make the transition complete. I have a lot of friends here, which is why I keep coming back. Sadly, some of them are not. I enjoy talking with John and Jim, and I wish they didn’t think of this as an alien place. I think of this an editor’s lounge, and I think I’d be happier if it officially became that. We can still fight about stuff–in fact, we’d be remise if we didn’t–but I think FCP X has worn the scarlet letter long enough.
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Thanks Chris. Check out the tutorials in the official FCPX forum. They’re all live now.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[Steve Connor] “[Oliver Peters] “I think most of us are guilty of helping to throw some of these discussions wildly off topic and let them devolve into arguments.”
The OT bit is what makes this place so fascinating
“Highly agreed. Its time for the lounge. I think a refocusing and a name change is in order. I’ve learned so much from this forum, in terms of it being an advanced discussion group.
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John, that’s very nice of you to say. I DO think that it might be time to reformat this forum, though I don’t know if the powers that be will go for it. The other problem, too, is that while a change of focus might improve the experience on this forum, it might also unleash a bit more negativity in the Techniques Forum then members there might like. X or Not does tend to act as a deflecting magnet.
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The hostility comes from a company giving a carpenter an excellent hammer and then suddenly, without warning, saying you can no longer use the hammer that made you the most productive carpenter around. Now it’s time to use our new screwdriver that does differently most of what you spent a decade perfecting….and we’ll put in the rest of the functionality in the next 18 months.
Those carpenters weren’t waiting around….
Yes – the hammer is still around (and maybe you can buy it somewhere on the web) – but it’s rusting and will soon become useless as the company upgrades it’s OS……
all that said – FCP X is an interesting, useful tool – just not the tool many editors are comfortable using….so they’ve grabbed other tool boxes that feel familiar (AVID/ADOBE)
The improvements are excellent….but aren’t enough to lure me back…i wish someone would post a tutorial that shows how to mix audio without rubber banding everything as that’s the one thing that’s kept us from even considering X (yes i know you can select regions and drop or raise volume with keystrokes..but that’s not mixing….and you could do that and more in the older app)
Best,
Andy Field Fieldvision productions
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852
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