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Future update to add XML, Multicam and importing of old projects?
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[Chris Kenny] “Pogue explicitly said he talked to “product managers”. Anyway, this is just another way of saying “Apple is lying”. Which is possible, but not very likely.”
There is no one at Apple who has gone on the record, making it impossible to verify. That’s not lying, but without accountability it’s certainly not fact that you and others should be citing as “gospel,” as you do relentlessly.
[Chris Kenny] “You’re simply grasping at straws here, to create doubt about information that doesn’t support a particular narrative. “
No, that’s denial and projection on your part, attributing to me the very things I’ve called you on, which I do here in the interest of fairness.
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[David Roth Weiss] “No, that’s denial and projection on your part, attributing to me the very things I’ve called you on, which I do here in the interest of fairness.”
Just so I’m sure I have your argument straight: your claim is that is it more reasonable to believe at this time that Apple does not intend to add these features than that Apple does, because Apple’s statements to (several) media outlets about this subject may be false?
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[Chris Kenny] “Just so I’m sure I have your argument straight: your claim is that is it more reasonable to believe at this time that Apple does not intend to add these features than that Apple does, because Apple’s statements to (several) media outlets about this subject may be false?”
I will not profess to speak for David but from what I’m gathering, his argument is that you’re citing sources you’re unable to verify, which all journalists know is worthless. You’re stating things as fact (Apple will definitely add missing features) because some “journalists” online have said that they talked to someone at Apple who told them so; even though Apple themselves have made no official statement of any kind, which they’ve had every chance to do, since FCPX’s release.
I understand where you’re coming from Chris. You think these news outlets have no reason to lie about speaking with Apple product managers regarding the future of FCPX and yet, it is precisely because of Apple’s continued silence that it’s difficult to believe anything the outlets are saying. Most are saying the same thing – “I spoke to someone at Apple who assured me…..” – but not one of them can cite a source and since FCPX isn’t a secretive project anymore, why is it that no one is providing the name of the “product managers” they spoke with at Apple?
I have no doubt Apple will add features to FCPX in future updates, but which features those are I have no idea and quite frankly, I’m not going to preach to others about it until Apple themselves say – and more importantly DO – so.
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[Chris Kenny] “Just so I’m sure I have your argument straight: your claim is that is it more reasonable to believe at this time that Apple does not intend to add these features than that Apple does, because Apple’s statements to (several) media outlets about this subject may be false?”
No, those are your words Chris.
So that we are perfectly clear, this discussion between us not one about the issues being debated, but rather the style and tactics of the debate itself. Everyone is entitled to their own POV, but if you’re going relentlessly push a point of view in an open debate by quoting others, you must be prepared to cite reputable and accountable sources, otherwise face the fact that you will called on the matter and your own credibility called into question.
Does this make sense?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
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[David Roth Weiss] “So that we are perfectly clear, this discussion between us not one about the issues being debated, but rather the style and tactics of the debate itself. Everyone is entitled to their own POV, but if you’re going relentlessly push a point of view in an open debate by quoting others, you must be prepared to cite reputable and accountable sources, otherwise face the fact that you will called on the matter and your own credibility called into question.
Does this make sense?”
Sure. You’re playing FUD games with respect to information given by Apple directly to several independent sources, and trying to defend this action by acting condescending toward me for pointing it out. It’s all crystal clear.
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[Michael Largé] “I will not profess to speak for David but from what I’m gathering, his argument is that you’re citing sources you’re unable to verify, which all journalists know is worthless. You’re stating things as fact (Apple will definitely add missing features) because some “journalists” online have said that they talked to someone at Apple who told them so; even though Apple themselves have made no official statement of any kind, which they’ve had every chance to do, since FCPX’s release. “
I am stating Apple has an intent to add these features because several people who are very unlikely to be lying, and who, based on their past statements and their reputations there is reason to believe Apple talks to, say that Apple has told them this.
This might not meet whatever specific version of a “fact” David is using, but it’s a lot more solid than the theory that Apple will never add these features because Apple no longer cares about professional users.
[Michael Largé] “I have no doubt Apple will add features to FCPX in future updates, but which features those are I have no idea and quite frankly, I’m not going to preach to others about it until Apple themselves say – and more importantly DO – so.”
That would be fine if everyone where taking an entirely neutral wait-and-see attitude toward Apple’s intentions for the product. But that’s not the case. In a world where a large number of people are advancing a particular theory about Apple’s intentions, what Apple is saying about those intentions to reliable sources should not simply be ignored because it disagrees with that theory.
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[Chris Kenny] “I am stating Apple has an intent to add these features because several people who are very unlikely to be lying, and who, based on their past statements and their reputations there is reason to believe Apple talks to, say that Apple has told them this.
This might not meet whatever specific version of a “fact” David is using, but it’s a lot more solid than the theory that Apple will never add these features because Apple no longer cares about professional users.”
For clarity’s sake, I’m not disputing nor debating what you’ve said, only to say myself that I would love to hear Apple go on official record about these updates rather than hearing them second hand.
[Chris Kenny] “That would be fine if everyone where taking an entirely neutral wait-and-see attitude toward Apple’s intentions for the product. But that’s not the case. In a world where a large number of people are advancing a particular theory about Apple’s intentions, what Apple is saying about those intentions to reliable sources should not simply be ignored because it disagrees with that theory.”
I agree, except I think the reason for the mistrust from editors is squarely Apple’s fault. Did you see the presentation at NAB? While they clearly said FCPX was rebuilt from the ground up, they never gave an indication that it is an entirely new product that is incompatible with previous versions of the software. In fact, they strongly suggested otherwise. I implore you to click the link I’m providing below which will take you straight to the 21:04 mark of the video (and last until 22:30).
When promoting Compound Clips, they showed a project in FCP7 and how it would look in FCPX. Even if it wasn’t directly stated, the impression was that FCP7 projects could be imported into FCPX. Will this be rectified in a future update? One hopes, but it’s not a great feeling to discover this on release day, especially when you consider that the birthday for FCPX is also the death date of FCP7 (which Apple has officially discontinued). So the mistrust and outrage editors feel is justified when you take everything, including Apple’s continued silence, into account. Are there some bad, complaining, whining apples in the mix who simply don’t want to move forward and cling to outdated tech? Sure, that’s part of every industry, but by and large, the majority of them have a right to be skeptical. A betrayal of trust has a funny way of doing that to people.
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David, david, david… I’m glad I was on your mind a whole day. I’m the guy that said FCPX was awesome, yes having read the manual on what it CAN DO – not what it CAN”T DO. Instead of whining about its short comings I decided to see what it could do. After, reading the manual and diving in (played with it for about 5 hours last night), I stand by MY opinion and I think its even AWESOME-ER!! (Yes, my own made up word.)
Its fast, very, very intuitive and smooth. The viewer was a bit annoying at first until I figured out the best way to configure it for MY style of editing. My normal editing tools are there (exception of course multicam) with a ton of welcomed extras. This being said, it does have its limitations. No output to my monitor is very annoying as well as all the other sited issues Apple left out. But hey, I love it. This program is AWESOME!! TO ME! Did Apple screw up on its shortcomings? Absolutely, but looking on the positive side, its exciting… again to me.
And despite what most think, I do believe that Apple will bring back the features that are missing. It makes no sense for them not too. Why not have the best of both worlds. Professionals – prosumers alike.
As I mentioned to you yesterday (and you proved it again today) which is, you come across very smug, patronizing and rude in your comments. Which I think is totally unnecessary. Try working on your tack when posting David.
Sincerely,
Reed Black.
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