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from 4:3 with borders to 16:9 with curtains. Should there still be borders?
So this is what i’m doing and why.
We (the place I work) are submitting promos for this year promax. And we want to do it on tape.
Basically all our promos are 4:3 with borders. But they want them in 16:9.
So I’ve made the sequence anamorphic and I’m “correcting” the promos manually.
Right now I’m using the safe bars (title safe) as a guideline(s), – it looks correct to me, but there is some insecurity and it’s killing me.I have uploaded a screenshot here
https://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1097/picture1kx.pngIf they batch the tape in 16:9 would the image look correct to them? Or do I need to squeeze/stretch something?
This is what promax is writing regarding tape delivery.
ALSO ensure all content is formatted 16:9. If the original
content was formatted 4:3, please provide curtains (black bars on each
side) to accommodate appropriately for 16:9.English is not my native tongue, so tell me if this is nonsense to you.
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Most would either scale their 4×3 video to fill the frame vertically, leaving black pillars on the sides, or they would scale to fill frame vertically, cutting off a portion of the top and bottom of the frame, which requires repositioning of titles. I don’t understand your use current use of the TV safe guides.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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Honestly the curtain thing is confusing me. I can’t tell if they are a “must have” when re-scaling from 4:3 with borders to 16:9 or if they are a weird-picture-corrector kind of thing.
I might just be making this harder than it actually is?
If I – as I already did – make the timeline anamorphic and “stretch” the 4:3 to fit the canvas and put it on tape…. (now it looks like this https://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1312/picture2nx.png)
Will it be correct 16:9 when they batch the tape?I just need to be sure I’m not sending the tape with wrong specs.
So please forgive me if I’m stuck in a loop and asking the same thing…I know for a fact that we sent a tape last year with curtains, – I’m no expert as you can see, but it feels and looks wrong when I’m trying to “add” curtains.
To sum up… Do I need curtains? -
[Nicki Nørmark] “Do I need curtains?”
I believe the so-called “curtains” they are referring to are the pillars on the sides, which are most typically referred to as “pillar box,” at least here in the US. The bottom line is, by scaling 133% you will fill the frame vertically and leave black on the sides. That will give you the full frame, just as the spot was originally shot, and with no repositioning. That’s probably the way they want it.
[Nicki Nørmark] “If I – as I already did – make the timeline anamorphic and “stretch” the 4:3 to fit the canvas and put it on tape… Will it be correct 16:9 when they batch the tape? “
Yes.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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If I understand you correctly, your promos are 4:3 letterbox. That is they have wide black bars top and bottom. I think what you need to do is stretch the image vertically so that it fills the (4:3) frame and then lay off to tape. If your letterboxed promos were letterboxed to look 16:9 then that will be all you need to do (apart from putting some 16:9 clocks on the tape). If they were letterboxed to look some other ratio then you may have to stretch them more or less. If more you can either put up with losing a bit of the image top and bottom or shrink the image and put up with black bars left and right, if less you can either leave them with black bars top and bottom or enlarge the image and lose some of the image left and right. To check, in a 4:3 timeline put a circle on one of your promos that looks round when viewed 4:3. Then stretch both the promo and the circle so that the promo fills the frame and there are no bars top and bottom and the circle looks like an egg. Lay off to tape and watch it back off tape with your monitor switched to 16:9. Does the circle look round?
Hope this helps, Matt. -
Take your footage and squeeze horizontally to 75% of original size. Now you have 4:3 converted to anamorphic. If you have borders on top and bottom you would like to eliminate, as a second step, resize the shot larger, but leave the 75% squeeze alone.
Bill Stephan
Senior Editor/DVD Author
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A quick way of doing this would be to put all of your files into compressor (this is assuming they are already captured and they are 4×3 16:9LB) and use the crop option found in the Geometry tab, you need to crop about 72 lines top and bottom. Set your output format, export and veoila you have 16×9 footage.. Once you put them into Final Cut you can set them to anamorphic.
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Luke the force is strong with you… or in you… how does that line go?
Anyway, that’s works perfectly. And the timing was good too, we decided to upload our promos instead of sending the tape. So this makes it a whole lot easier.
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