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  • Frame rates

    Posted by Gary Jarvis on August 21, 2010 at 9:58 am

    As you will notice from my question I am new to Premiere Pro! I have noticed that this is a forum of real creative folks and figured someone must have the expertise to answer and or direct me.

    It is my understanding that Back in the day of only film, one had a speed control i.e. a way of controlling the actual speed that the actual film travelled through the projector.

    Today in digital video, it is my limited experience that when I want to change speed of a video I either loose or gain frames, depending on whether I am increasing or decreasing my speed.

    Is there a way in Ppr where I can have it see the frames as just (figuratively speaking) 10,000 frames w/o the preset speed, where one can work with different speeds until one gets the effect they are looking for, w/o creating all those orphan frames?

    I am asking in Ppr because I have it! If you know of another software with or w/o the addition of hardware (mac preferred but any system accepted) I am more than open.

    All the best

    Gary

    “It’s a pisser trying to create different effects, but it’s a trip being creative”

    Gary Jarvis replied 15 years, 8 months ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Todd Kopriva

    August 21, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Have you looked into time remapping in Premiere Pro or time remapping in After Effects? (The latter provides much more control.)

    I’m not sure exactly what you’re talking about with regard to orphan frames, but I think that the time-remapping features provide what you’re asking for.

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  • Gary Jarvis

    August 21, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    “Today in digital video, it is my limited experience that when I want to change speed of a video I either loose or gain frames, depending on whether I am increasing or decreasing my speed” THIS WHAT I MEAN BY ORPHAN FRAMES.

  • Paul Del vecchio

    August 23, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    When you play back a file, it always has to play back with a specified timebase, whether it be 24, 30, 60, etc. That’s how the “effect” – fast or slow motion – is achieved. If you played files shot back at different frame rates with the timebase of it’s frame rate (i.e. if you shot 120 fps and played back at 120fps, or if you shot 60 fps and played back at 60 fps) the file would be always 1 second long. How slow or fast the footage plays back depends on the timebase of your timeline.

    So in order to experiment with speeds, you would have to pick your timebase and base your frame rate off of the timebase and the effect you are trying to achieve.

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  • Gary Jarvis

    August 23, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Thanks for the feedback Paul,

    Yes I definitely agree with the first paragraph, and possibly the second but let me explain my theory and what I am doing at the moment.

    I am working in p/s cs4 extended and my QT video’s are 23.976 fps I am adding frames and changing the timebase i.e. if I start with 200 frames w/a timebase of 08:34 secs and I interweave 100 frames then I change my timebase to 12:41 I then export it into QT as 300 frames @ 12:41 secs.

    I would have liked to have added the frames kept the timebase and jacked up the speed, only QT max”es out at 60 fps as well as the frame rate would end up being 35.96 fps ???.

    Okay, here’s what I intend to do and that is when I have finished with my interweaving, I am going to convert my QT’s to image-sequence which , correct me if I am wrong, are loose timeless frames I am then going to bring them into Ppr and set a timebase.

    I understand it’s going the long way round only I couldn’t find a software in the market to help me.

    Yes, I know it sounds somewhat insane only, if it works it will probably be perceived as logical

    “He was seen as insane until it worked. then he was called creative”

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