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  • footage cropped on TV set – letterboxing/window boxing a solution

    Posted by Ann Edwards on November 23, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Hi

    THe (dv) footage that I am working with is cut off disturbingly when it is viewed on a conventional TV set (But fine veiwed on a computer). It is a person fairly tightly framed and his head is cut off at the top throughout the footage.

    What solutions are there to this? Can I letterbox? I could possibly afford to crop at the bottom of the frame, I know that I have seen that a lot, so it wouldn’t read as too disturbing. Or a windowbox? that would lend itself more to the shape of the footage and I wouldn’t have to crop off the bottom. I’m not really sure that I have ever seen this before though.

    Any suggestions?

    thanks
    deborah

    David Roth weiss replied 17 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
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  • David Roth weiss

    November 23, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    There is always a portion of the outer edges of the video frame that are viewable on computer monitors, but obscurred from view on TVs. Every video camera has an “action safe” guide designed to help to ensure that important action will never be cut off when tranmitted for broadcast. Whoever shot your video evidently disregarded or didn’t know about that.

    Cropping is not the answer, lowering the image several scan lines on the y-axis is the answer. The problem is, of course, if you go too far you will see a black area that extends beyond the edge of the true video frame that will show on your computer monitor even if it it doesn’t show on the TV. So, you’ll need to make two versions, one for Web delivery and one for TV/DVD.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Ann Edwards

    November 23, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Thanks, I didn’t think of that

    The final output will be DVD, but could end up being played on a TV or computer. Could I put more than one version on the dvd? One for TV viewers and one for those viewing on the computer? Also, what about the new widescreen/flat TVs, don’t they display more like a computer?

    I could also scale the video down, thus creating an all around black border that wouldn’t show on conventional TV, but would on any other display… again… it would need to be 2 versions?? (the video is about one hour long)

    thanks again for your help.

    deborah

  • David Roth weiss

    November 24, 2008 at 2:15 am

    You could[deborah edmeades] “Could I put more than one version on the dvd?”

    Yes, but that’s a pain for you and the viewers.

    [deborah edmeades] “Also, what about the new widescreen/flat TVs, don’t they display more like a computer?”

    Yes, that’s true too, which really points out that you should probably just leave it as is…[deborah edmeades] “I could also scale the video down, thus creating an all around black border that wouldn’t show on conventional TV, but would on any other display… again… it would need to be 2 versions??”

    Maybe you should scale the entire movie down, creating a slight black border around everything and just enough to make that closeup work, and just chalk it up to a creative decision. It would be the least obtrusive of all solutions in my opinion.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Dennis Leppell

    November 24, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Is it possible to key out the background of the talking head, lower the image on the y axis a bit, and drop in a new background?

  • Kevin Monahan

    November 24, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Basic editing skills would include checking title and action safe before output. I leave them on when designing all titles.

    Kevin Monahan
    http://www.fcpworld.com
    Author – Motion Graphics and Effects in Final Cut Pro

  • Ann Edwards

    November 24, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    thanks for your response

    I have found a great solution – first lower the frame on the y axis until it is in the right place, and then, because the background is static throughout each shot, I import the the video still into photoshop and create the extra background that I need above his head using the clone stamp and other tools, then import back into FCP and place it beneath my lowered footage. It works ike a charm!

    d

  • David Roth weiss

    November 24, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    [Kevin Monahan] “Basic editing skills would include checking title and action safe before output.”

    Shooting skills too… But, sometimes shit happens.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • David Roth weiss

    November 24, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    [deborah edmeades] “I import the the video still into photoshop and create the extra background that I need above his head using the clone stamp and other tools, then import back into FCP and place it beneath my lowered footage. It works ike a charm!”

    Good solution Deborah. In the past I’ve done a similar thing by rotating a copy of the original shot 180 degrees, flopping horizontally, moving it way up on the y-axis so that the very top of the frame matched the existing background, and creating a softedge where they meet. I forgot to mention that until your PhotoShop solution reminded me…

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

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