Focus – Light Iron videos

[Aindreas Gallagher]

do you know – funny story – I went to a talk he gave about this at the guardian open weekend a while back. It was completely fascinating and the way he talked about preparing it like a music score was so madly interesting, and so nearly revelatory, I thought I had a handle on it in my head for around.. half an hour.

Also his hollywood anecdotes from his time there were utterly scandalous. lawsuit material as far as the eye could see. fantastic talk.

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[Oliver Peters]

[tony west] “They got rid of Color for one and moved it inside of X”

OK, that’s not even remotely close to true. Color is still a vastly superior grading tool to what can be done inside X. But yes, I agree that Apple wanted to give you a “good enough” tool to stay inside X. However, what you can do in X today, as far as color correction, could have been done in 7 with the 3-way and 1 or 2 free plug-ins. Full features have been graded in FCP “legacy” as well as Avid Symphony or DS, and they will also be done in X, if not already.

[tony west] “I lot of people write about sending to audition for their sound mixing.”

You mean in Premiere? It’s an option of course, but today, I still have superior audio mixing capabilities inside Premiere Pro than I do in X.

[tony west] “I remember many saying X was hurt by not having a mixer. That didn’t seem to hurt Jan at all.”

Mixing for a temp mix for screening is commonly done with every NLE used in post. Avid editors and FCP “legacy” editors had always done that. Just look at any of Murch’s timelines. In fact, what he has done on some films inside FCP 7 are actually premixes that get sent to Pro Tools for the final mix.

But, the point isn’t whether these options exist in X or not. I just don’t see how X keeps you in the program any more than any other NLE does. Heck, why is everyone so jazzed about Resolve roundtrips? Maybe some functions are more elegant in X or better suited to the likes of some editors. No problems there – it’s all good. Just that you aren’t pointing out anything that’s especially unique to X, regarding what you can do inside the program. That’s all I’m saying.

– Oliver

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Orlando, FL
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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Herb Sevush] ” it just kept multiple vantage points of the story going continuously over an extended period of time and used brilliant audio editing and mixing to keep the narrative flowing.”

mmm. yes please. that sounds great.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “As long as proponents don’t come out with ridiculous language like the stuff that was in the article we’re all good.”

Well, sure. But all proponents of anything sometimes come out with ridiculous language. Marketing baby! 🙂

[Aindreas Gallagher] “it’s right on the tip of my tongue. ah yes.

“I feel like I’m describing how the microwave works to my Grandpa.””

Oh, I remember it well. 😉 Thing is, I feel that way when trying to explain to people why they should at least move from 7 to Pr FFS, let alone X. When, for example, people think it’s better to crop every single clip in a cut, rather than use an adjustment layer, It kind of boggles my mind… Hell I’ve had an “adjustment layer” crop (.png with an alpha cutout) in FCP Old for years. They still won’t use it. It’s not what they’re used to.

Inertia. Fear. 🙂

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Charlie Austin] “better to crop every single clip in a cut, rather than use an adjustment layer,”

mmm. possibly. depends how you’re handling transforms and push pulls on the shots you’re cropping? In that instance it’s maybe best to nest and use the crop on the nest and then swap out the shots you’re faking little moves on inside the nest. when you have multiple rounds of revision that can be a tremendous time saver. horses for courses if ever there was one!

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[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “it’s maybe best to nest”

Don’t you mean use a Compound Clip? :-p

But you’re right, in some cases that’s a better fit. I’m talking about a very basic use though… Our sources are all cut features or dailies with burn in’s in the cropped area. If you resize or reposition clips you want the crop to be consistent over the whole cut, including masking out the burn in shots that haven’t been transformed. Adjustment layer is the way to go.

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Aindreas Gallagher]

second reply there herb –

what a cast?

It’s fab – there’s a crappy youtube copy? I’m ordering it on amazon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAmr-WBCRes

but the mad thing is burt lancaster’s speech at an hour and nine minutes? relative to bush, blair and Iraq – particularly blair’s dodgy dossier – it’s crazily on the nose. I actually just paused it to post. Lancaster really knows how to deliver a line as well.

“The doctrine of presidential credibility, by which I mean the license to lie at home and abroad, killed hundreds of thousands of people in a war that should never have been fought.”

that is some line.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Herb Sevush] ” IBM exhibit in the New York Worlds Fair of 1964 “

this is an entertaining thread. that’s one of the charles/ray eames ones right? There’s a decent doco on him and ray from 2011 – james franco narrates because james franco. that exhibit must have been utterly crazy to see at the time you’d think. also powers of ten for god’s sake.

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[Andrew Kimery]

First off, thanks for chiming in Glenn.

[Glenn Ficarra] “We were able to exploit the ease of x with “trying instead of talking”. we were able to illustrate notes and ideas hands on instead of exclusively trying to convey them verbally.”

A few times in the past I’ve worked with producers or directors that had an editing background and they would take stabs at things and pass them along to me for us to both look at. I usually found this a better use of time than having them try to describe what they want orally or in writing. Sometimes they tried things on their own and would be like “Nope, that doesn’t work” and that’s time and energy saved by not having me run it up the flag pole.

It doesn’t work for everyone but I’ve had decent luck with it in the past.

[Jeff Markgraf]

Tim-

I guess as one of those old men who remembers 300 baud modems, I generally strive for brevity on teh interwebz. Suffice it to say I edited a lot out as I was writing. 😉

[Tim Wilson] “the use of “inertia” as a negative value”

Meant to be descriptive, rather than negative, per se. A network promo operation has a significant investment in equipment and process. Especially with what was in the very recent past an expensive and mostly proprietary system: Avid/Unity or ISIS/Interplay. This is an investment from which one does not walk away lightly.

Inertia provides some protection from making ill-considered decisions. But it also provides refuge for small minds and vested interests. All of these things are at play at a network. We may disagree about the relative influence of small minds vs. rash decisions, etc. (Three guesses where I come down on this issue!)