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  • Flicker on DVD Slide show

    Posted by John Gregoriades on February 5, 2006 at 4:37 pm

    Hi, it’s been a-while since I’ve visited here. Travel and major PC breakdowns! I hope you are all well.
    I created, using Vegas, a simple 5-minute video, using still photos (.jpg) with a few titles and a music background. Rendered it 3 different ways: as MPEG-2 DVD PAL; as MPEG-2 DVDA Video Stream PAL, plus a rerender for AC3 sound; and as MPEG-2 DVD NTSC.
    The photos were 2592×1944 pixels, 1.93MB each.
    The PAL types were 720x576x32 – 25.00i
    The NTSC was 720x480x32 – 29.970i
    Next,
    Used DVDA to take the rendered videos and PREPARE and make a single DVD with all three versions (all PAL, including the NTSC version.)Used the highest sampling rate which was a bit more than the default 8.
    The resulting videos were played on two different DVD players, connected to two different TVs. One TV + DVD player combination was all PAL, connected to European 220V-50Hz. The other TV + DVD player combination was PAL-OR-NTSC. In both combinations, all videos showed some flicker, especially noticeable on bright thin lines/objects. The PALs had identical flicker, and the ex-NTSC was somewhat worse. There was shimmer and jaggies on thin, diagonal lines (edge of a glass cabinet.) None were satisfactory to my critical eye, although casual vewers found the video just fine.
    Playing any of the DVDs on a Computer, all three types look rock steady and great!
    I can understand the extra re-rendering from NTSC-to-PAL by DVDA may make that one worse, but being that I was not satisfied with the PAL-PAL versions, I seek advice.
    Is there a better method to create slide shows? Or a different choice of setup or settings?
    Any advice will be appreciated.
    John

    Ted Snow replied 20 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Edward Troxel

    February 5, 2006 at 7:12 pm

    Flicker is normal on interlaced deviced. The best you can do is try to reduce it. The common methods are setting “Reduce Interlace Flicker”, adding a very slight blur, and rendering using “Best” quality.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

  • John Gregoriades

    February 6, 2006 at 1:16 pm

    Thank you, Edward.
    Going to BEST quality on the Vegas rendering improved the results substantially. Trying reduce interlace “ON” on the DVDA preparation did not seem to have much of an effect.
    But on the Vegas BEST rendering there were three spots where the background soundtrack went blank for a split second – for no reason. No fancy sound adjustments, in fact no adjustments to the sound. The sound was fine on the previous renders that had the extra flicker.
    Any thoughts?
    John

  • Seatlanta

    February 6, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    Hi John:
    I do a lot of photo montages, and have come up with some ways to eliminate or reduce the flicker you’re seeing.

    Without adjustments, you’ll probably see the flickering in horizontal lines, especially thin lines, and in detailed areas of clothing, foliage, bricks, etc. As I apply a zoom to an old photo, a woman’s patterned dress can become quite animated.

    My methods require some work before putting pix on the timeline. I use Photoshop (but other programs will also do the job) to slightly blur the background or other offending areas. If I have a particular trouble spot, I use more blur, smudging, or whatever it takes to stop the flickering. I find the flickering to be more noticeable that a slightly blurred background.

    I also use vignetting to emphasize the subject. Depending on the purpose of your movie, this can either enhance it or make it worse. Family photos look great with the background reduced with a soft mask. Historical or documentary photos may need to remain untouched.

    I work hard to keep the subject in sharp focus, but as the background goes soft, you’ll be able to soften the subject a bit. Because of the relative blur between background and subject, it will probably still look OK.

    If you’re doing pans and zooms, the flickering will probably be much worse, but the same methods will still help.

    Good luck.
    James (seatlanta)

  • Edward Troxel

    February 6, 2006 at 4:04 pm

    Changing the video render quality from good to best should not affect audio in any way.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

  • John Gregoriades

    February 6, 2006 at 4:32 pm

    Thank you, James.
    What you are suggesting as I understand it is to “mask” and slightly “blur” the offending spots of each photo. I did notice the flicker occurring on bright horizontal or nearly horizontal lines/areas. I do not use Photoshop much (except I loved learning/using the “healing brush” to restore some 1920’s photos a friend brought in), but I’m much more handy with Corel PhotoPaint which has very similar mask & blur controls. I will also try vignetting – I assume with Vegas? or beforehand? If with Vegas, I assume you can pre-set an equal amount of vignetting to a whole timeline string of photos.
    John

  • Ted Snow

    February 6, 2006 at 6:23 pm

    John, for video stuff the “Good” setting will usually be just fine. But for photos I have found that using “Best” works much better. I have now been rendering all my montages at “Best” setting for quite some time. The render time doesn’t seem to be affected all that much and the quality is well worth the little extra render time if there is any. Pans and zooms are much smoother when using the Best setting. As a matter of fact I ended up making my own render presets and use Best for both pics and video work.
    As for the flickering, I have had some pics that gave me problems similar to what you describe. What I did was add a second copy of the pic on the track above and add a cookie cutter and cut out just the spot that was flickering and add .001 blur to that. That way the rest of the pic stays sharp and crisp and only the offending flicker is blurred. This can be quite a feat though if you have lots of pic causing problems.

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